Leatherman Juice CS4

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Hi all,

I've always carried a SAK of some kind (currently a vic compact) but never anything bigger. I've been toying for a while with the idea of getting a leatherman juice cs4. The plus points for me are:

- pliers
- better screwdrivers (particularly a real philips)
- just kind of look cool!

The minuses are:

- expensive (£50 plus, whereas as SAK is ~£20)
- bigger and heavier (it would have to go in a pocket; I don't want stuff on my belt)
- I have heard (probably on here) that the bottle opener is not very good.

So, can anyone tell me if carring in the pocket is feasible? And how good the bottle opener is? And anything else I should be aware of? Then I might start trying to find a bargain.....

Cheers,

Ian.
 
I've had the CS4 for some time, and it's quite the handy tool. I carry it in my back pocket, next to my wallet, hanging from a chain attached to my belt loop. Not too noticeable. First thing that you need to do if you get one is SHARPEN the awl and can opener. Once you do that, it's just about perfect. I know that the blades don't lock, yada yada yada, but people have gotten by without locking blades for generations without the world ending. Just my two cents.
 
I forgot to mention that you can open the bottle opener with ONE HAND. i don't know about you, but that's mighty handy after you've had a few...
 
Although I really like the CS4 and use one frequently, it almost feels like a roll of quarters in a front pocket.
 
I have a Juice Pro. While it is remarkably compact for the number of tools on it, it is THICK. I wouldn't want it in my pocket.
 
Hi all,

I've always carried a SAK of some kind (currently a vic compact) but never anything bigger. I've been toying for a while with the idea of getting a leatherman juice cs4. The plus points for me are:

- pliers
- better screwdrivers (particularly a real philips)
- just kind of look cool!

The minuses are:

- expensive (£50 plus, whereas as SAK is ~£20)
- bigger and heavier (it would have to go in a pocket; I don't want stuff on my belt)
- I have heard (probably on here) that the bottle opener is not very good.

So, can anyone tell me if carring in the pocket is feasible? And how good the bottle opener is? And anything else I should be aware of? Then I might start trying to find a bargain.....

Cheers,

Ian.

Three years ago, my only reason for buying a CS4 was a post holiday clearance sale at Target. Until then, I had no interest in the Juice line and wasn't looking for one, but at the markdown it was well worth the price, for resale, if nothing else. In time, however, I grew to appreciate the Juice utility/pocketability package, and the CS4 eventually became my usual EDC for casual out-and-about.

What sets the Juice apart from any comparable size SAK is the pliers, which I find so useful that this one implement settled the matter for me. I wish Vic offered something comparable, but they don't. SAKs are made to a high level of fit and finish, but IMHO Leatherman quality is quite good and equally reliable.

Juice screwdrivers are better than those on SAKs, but stubby, sometimes a problem. There is an accessory extension available, a good workaround, but it means carrying something extra (I don't bother).

The saw performs well for its size. I've applied it to small branches and roots inaccessible to larger saws. It works well as any, but not something I use often. However, it doesn't take up much space.

As Umberto observed, the awl needs to be sharpened, but that is easily done. I use an awl often, to bore into wood for screw guide holes, poke holes in leather etc. When sharpened, this one works well enough. Every multool should have an awl.

As a combo tool, the cap lifter/can opener compromises both functions, but works in each. Some posters have recommended sharpening the can opener blade, but that would increase the likelihood of puncturing a bottle cap. I have successfully opened cans and bottles with it in unmodified form, and although not as nicely as with a SAK, it gets the job done. I love thumbing open the implement.

For carrying, the CS4 gets attached with a quick release clip and suspended from my belt by a shoestring dummy cord into my RF pocket, where it lies along the back seam, virtually unfelt until needed. Sometimes I carry it loose in a pocket. That way, it's noticeable, but not bad for the size and weight. Try it out before purchase and find out if it feels right in your pocket.

In all honesty, at its usual selling price, or even at a modest discount, I probably wouldn't have made the purchase. A SAK at less than half the price offers a lot of utility for the money. This is your decision to ponder.
 
I prefer the Leatherman Pulse (5.9 ounces) and original PST (5.3 ounces) over the CS4 (5.5 ounces) though I own all three.

The CS4 has the smallest pliers and the stubbiest (shortest) screwdrivers of the trio.

The CS4 has a saw and a corkscrew, but lacks a file. I need a file much more often than a saw or corkscrew, though your needs may differ.

The best parts of the CS4 are the scissors and the fact that some of the implements can be opened without unfolding the handles.

If you get a CS4, keep it oiled. Rust spots started to appear on my CS4 within just a couple of weeks after purchase while it was sitting indoors. Never had rust on the Pulse or PST despite EDC use outdoors and indoors.

I had a Juice S2, but returned it. The Juice series just doesn't have the quality feel of Leatherman's old school tools and the CS4 pliers are too small for a tool of that weight.

You can still purchase the discontinued Pulse on eBay for a good price.
 
Thanks everyone. I think I'd better find one I can handle before buying; I've only ever seen pictures on the computer, which isn't quite the same...

Cheers,

Ian.
 
I prefer the Leatherman Pulse (5.9 ounces) and original PST (5.3 ounces) over the CS4 (5.5 ounces) though I own all three.

The CS4 has the smallest pliers and the stubbiest (shortest) screwdrivers of the trio.

True, but the OP was considering Juice v. SAK, with pocketability an important consideration. In that matchup, Juice screwdrivers compare well with the Swiss competition (better, IMHO), and stands alone in size of its pliers. Neither Vic nor Wenger offer anything like it.

The CS4 has a saw and a corkscrew, but lacks a file. I need a file much more often than a saw or corkscrew, though your needs may differ.

I wish it had a file, but I actually use both the corkscrew and saw, neither available on the PST or Pulse. Another implement I want on my EDC multitool is an awl, lacking on the Pulse, and scissors, not on the PST. Although the PST II has scissors, it drops the awl. That is because of a vast conspiracy among multitool manufacturers to deny me a perfect tool set. :o

The best parts of the CS4 are the scissors and the fact that some of the implements can be opened without unfolding the handles.

Good scissors for a multitool, actually almost as good as Vic's, which means they are good enough. Nothing actually beats Vic scissors, though.

If you get a CS4, keep it oiled. Rust spots started to appear on my CS4 within just a couple of weeks after purchase while it was sitting indoors. Never had rust on the Pulse or PST despite EDC use outdoors and indoors.

This one mystifies me. I own, or have owned, a fair number of Leatherman products; PST, Super Tool, ST200, Core, Surge, Charge Tti, CS4, Squirt S4, Squirt P4 and Micra. During a time period from 13 years to 6 months, most have been used in a variety of environments, not often, but sometimes including high humidity, wind blown grit, mud, water and snow. Occasionally they get cleaned and wiped down with WD40, but I don't overdo the maintenance. So far, not one has shown the slightest hint of oxidation. There have been enough reports of Leatherman rust to convince me it happens, but why to those guys and not me isn't clear. Could the issue be moral character? :rolleyes::D

I had a Juice S2, but returned it. The Juice series just doesn't have the quality feel of Leatherman's old school tools and the CS4 pliers are too small for a tool of that weight.

In terms of fit and finish, there are some differences between the older and newer models, but nothing that causes me to pronounce one better than the other. Maybe I simply don't know what to look for. They have all performed well, except my PST bent when squeezing down hard on something, although the jaws didn't break. That happened twice (Leatherman fixed it), which is how I learned that there are limitations to multitools based on size and mass. That's why my CS4 has always done the job for me. I just don't ask too much of it. :)

You can still purchase the discontinued Pulse on eBay for a good price.

A fine tool, but I don't think it fits a pocket very well.
 
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My juice rides comfortably in my coin or watch pocket. You know that little pocket inside and above your right front pocket. Although I do not wear very tight jeans
 
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