Lefty Models (Mainly an Idea for Thomas)

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Since it seems like everyone else is posting questions/suggestions for Thomas* today, I think I will too. Also, this could start a good conversation here.

*Thomas, do NOT reply if your still on vacation, WAIT until you get back; Thomas, back away from the computer, DO IT NOW!!!

Why isn't there any true left handed folding knife models? It seems like it wouldn't be a huge production change cost to make a few popular models in left hand models (just handle changes and other small parts, but same blade, springs, and such) and then Kershaw would have a very unique product that would stand out even more from other manufactorers. I know most left handed people just swap the clip to the left side get used to the traditional right hand models, but you would think left handed people would rather buy a model that is easy for them use from the beginning.

There is a personal reason to my thoughts even though I'm right handed. I like to have a knife in my left pocket while on-duty *just in case* I have someone grabbing my gun and my right hand is busy retaining it. In fact, if I could only carry one knife, it would be a lefty model just for that reason. Since I'm right handed, I don't have the dexterity in my left hand as if I was a true lefty. My left hand just can't get used to quickly working the knife lock in it's current state. Plus, under stress, it seems that pushing the lock away is more of a gross motor skill versus a fine motor skill of having to pull the lock towards you (it has been proven while under extreme stress, you loose you fine motor skills long before you loose your gross motor skills). Before anyone makes the comment, I know if I had to use the knife in defense I'm not going to be so worried about having to put it away as getting it out.

This reminds me of the left handed models of AR-15's produced by Stag Arms. I'm sure in the past people wrote gun companies asking for left handed models and the companies went by the traditional responses of "you can learn to use right handed models like everyone else" and "we don't see a profitable market by doing this". Obviously, none of the companies listened except Stag. Stag developed the mirror image AR for the lefty bunch. Their AR made magazine articles and from what it appears like, their lefty models are a well selling product line for them. The only difference in the knife market is that setup is a whole lot simpler so once the first company starts the lefty models the other knife companies will follow, like the assisted opening concept. With a company like Kershaw were it's not a hugely known brand versus others (like Buck for example) Kershaw could at least get their name and quality known by being the first major brand to get the lefty models out.

Of course I could just be thinking of the next flop in the knife industry, or most likely, I'm just the newbie that doesn't realize that other companies already have decent lefty models out.
 
I agree with what your saying. Other companies have more left "handicapable" knives. I have a Zt model which i easily use with my left hand but it is one of the top end models. id like to see a left handed leek. i think they would sell rather well.
 
Why isn't there any true left handed folding knife models? It seems like it wouldn't be a huge production change cost to make a few popular models in left hand models (just handle changes and other small parts, but same blade, springs, and such)

The changes you mention above would cost more to implement than you realize, and those costs would result in a more expensive knife. Would a Lefty want to be charged MORE for a knife just because he is a lefty?

Maybe he/she would glady pay more for a lefty-friendly knife, but I don't know... Would you glockman?

With a company like Kershaw were it's not a hugely known brand versus others (like Buck for example) Kershaw could at least get their name and quality known by being the first major brand to get the lefty models out.

Make no mistake, Kershaw is a VERY well-known brand. Top three IMO : Kershaw, Spyderco, Benchmade. And in that order! Buck is in a different category, for better or worse. Again, just my opinion...
 
The changes you mention above would cost more to implement than you realize, and those costs would result in a more expensive knife. Would a Lefty want to be charged MORE for a knife just because he is a lefty?

Maybe he/she would glady pay more for a lefty-friendly knife, but I don't know... Would you glockman?

Actually, I'm too damn poor to buy knives :(...That's why I'm always trading. HOWEVER, I SURE WOULD like to see Kershaw come out with a few more "lefty-friendly" knives, and they can start by bringing back the 1056 model, to go with my 1050!.
 
Maybe it would cost more then I would think, but look at the differnet handles they have produced just in the Leek series (like stainless, G10, aluminum). Maybe instead of the next wonder material they could just use those resources towards making the lefty model.

For example, for the Leek, the changes that would be needed to produce a lefty is the two grip panels, the pocket clip, torsion spring (just realized that), and depending if they chose to go with a liner lock, the liner lock itself. Everything else (the blade, screws, safety, spacer, etc) should all be compatible with the lefty model. Actually, one of the grip panels (the non-clip side) could be switched by machining and drilling the opposite side of the panel.

Okay, maybe I was wrong about Kershaw brand not being a top manufactorer (my bad). It just seems like most people I know either go with Spyderco or Benchmade (or cheaper things like Smith & Wesson or off-shore knock off's). I only know of one other that has a Kershaw. Even if Kershaw is one of the top dogs, Kershaw lefty models would still have a selling point over the other brands. As far as selling it for more (since it would need to offset the production modifications), I'm sure selling it for $5 more would balance out the difference. After all, materials costs would be the same, it would just be the production changes that would be the major costs.

I will refer back to the Stag Arms example. They had to redesigned a lot of things to create their left handed AR-15 (a lot more parts then a knife) but they are making a profit and the gun itself doesn't cost much more then a standard AR.
 
BossMav, I will try to address this tomorrow (on the road again already).
 
Lock wise, Kershaw's three stud lock models (Mini Mojito, Spec Bump, and Offset) are very lefty friendly. The lock is easily accessible with the thumb from either side.
The safety on the Mini Mojito is inherently ambidextrous since it is integrated into the flipper. The Safety on the Spec Bump is on the clip side and easily accessed with the thumb of the left hand. The Offset doesn't have a safety. :D
The only thing that might be an issue is the clips. I usually carry them in my left pocket. They end up tip down with the blade held closed against the seam of the pocket. This works quite well for a cross draw with the right hand, but took me a bit of practice with the left hand (I'm right handed).

The Offset and Spec Bump would probably need a fair bit of tooling to make the clip swappable to the other side, but the Mini Mojito probably wouldn't take much (tapping holes on the other side).

Of course I am a bit biased since the stud lock is my favorite lock.
 
Ok, Kneedeep brought up some good models for lefties. I'm still a little curious why there isn't a company that has made a true lefty model.

Oh, and I hope I didn't sound pushy or anything by posting this thread. I was just trying to start a little friendly conversation while making a possible suggestion for a product line in the future.
 
I don't know about other dedicated left hand models that Kershaw has made in the past, but the first Ken Onion designed SpeedSafe models the Random Task and Mini Task (not sure about the Ricochet) had dedicated left hand versions. So Kershaw has some firsthand knowledge of the salability of lefty knives. Definitely collectors items now.

There are a few pictures of them scattered throughout the forum.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=474683&highlight=task&page=3

Check post #50 for a pair of Mini Tasks.

I definitely wouldn't mind having a left handed set of them myself.
 
Ok, Kneedeep brought up some good models for lefties. I'm still a little curious why there isn't a company that has made a true lefty model.
The Kershaw 1050 (as well as the DC'd 1056) is a "true lefty model" as it is a back-lock, and has no pocket clip.:D.
 
Maybe it would cost more then I would think, but look at the differnet handles they have produced just in the Leek series (like stainless, G10, aluminum). Maybe instead of the next wonder material they could just use those resources towards making the lefty model.
When producing knives in volume, the only way to do it is to tool up and have parts fine blanked. This takes time and a bunch of up front cash, so you better be sure you're going to get the piece placed in outlets that can move some serious numbers or there is going to be big big trouble.

In doing a true lefty model, a company would have to again tool up for the knife, and from past experience, although lefties are loud, their bark is much more ferocious than their wallets.
When I worked at Spyderco, there were many dedicated left handed patterns, today...ambidextrous only. We have had left handed only models as well, and although appreciated, they didn't come close to pulling their weight, and thus they quickly were discontinued.

There are financial reasons on why there are not more lefty models, and I'm afraid that is not going to change. What I think you will see is lefties having to adapt to specific locks, and hope for models they enjoy offering left/right clip options. Stud Lock's and lockbacks will be seen on occasion, and although they are lefty lover locks, they are much more demanding on the manufacturer, thus limited supply.
We continue to be sensitive to this situation, and will continue to try to keep focus on this with future models.

IMHO, R&D would be much better spent looking into the next "wonder material" as you say bossmav, rather than chasing after the lefty sale. Now I may be wrong on this, but it is a decision that we have decided to take.

Okay, maybe I was wrong about Kershaw brand not being a top manufactorer (my bad).
No, I think you had it right about Kai USA being a top manufacturer. We can do it, do it well, and do it in volume.

Now volume is an area on this forum that is isn't discussed much, due to the fact that factories are going to keep a low profile in this sensitive area. Many smaller companies come off as being larger than they are, and the general public has a skewed perception on the actual size of the manufacturer. This is all fine of course, but just know the above profile is not indicative of Kai USA. We are also a leader and try to look to the future, and not side to side to see what others are doing.
 
Thomas, You made some valid points about needing to sell in volume (I'm sure it is more then I can imagine). Sounds to me that Kershaw is a volume company (going on the 'sell a lot for cheaper' line of thought) and I guess a lefty model would be risky to that concept (which is how you make your money and pay your bills). I didn't realize that you had produced lefties in the past when I wrote the thread so you do know how lefty sales are.

Looks like I'm going to have to train my left hand to work better...
 
What I think you will see is lefties having to adapt to specific locks, and hope for models they enjoy offering left/right clip options.

This is what I've done; liner/frame/stud locks are no problem. I don't expect a company to cater to me with a 100% Lefty knife because I understand the cost associated but I do expect at least 3 holes for a lefty pocket clip mounting. As it stands now I have yet to actually retain a Kershaw knife for any reasonable length of time because of the lack of mounting points on most models. I am looking forward to the RAM and getting my hands on a MUDD specifically because of the clip option. I really like the current designs from Kershaw but most of the I can't carry and use comfortably so I've held off purchase for the time being.
 
This is what I've done; liner/frame/stud locks are no problem. I don't expect a company to cater to me with a 100% Lefty knife because I understand the cost associated but I do expect at least 3 holes for a lefty pocket clip mounting...
As a "lefty", for me, the liner-locks ARE a problem, as when I grip the kinfe tightly, the liner-lock tends to move over to the point of un-locking the blade. I've had this happen with a couple liner-locks I've owned in the past, with the most noteable being the Spyderco Military that I had for a couple weeks...That's why the back-lock and the Axis-locks are the only ones I can trust, along with perhaps the frame-lock.
 
Thomas-One of my all time favorite EDC's are the 1415 and 1416 These could be made left- handed with the exact same parts by bending the liner in the opposite direction from the normal one and swapping the liners left and right. the only other change necessary would be to cut the blade notch for the liner lock facing the opposite direction. This seems to me to be a way to make a lefty with minimal changes. I don't know details of the manufacturing process, but this doesn't seem to be a change that would be difficult or expensive to accomplish. I realize that the 1415 and 1416's are no longer being made (what a shame) but I think that a similar design could maximize the use of common parts.
 
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