Let us Analyze ARNIS

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In your opinion, can we add more new techniques in Modern Arnis, or any Style in Arnis aside of the traditional one which was already taught or being practice today. Or we are just being be contented with the techniques being taught.

How many of us think to use an Arnis when we are attacked or in trouble.

How effective the releasing technique when we block stick against a stick. Or we opt for the style of hitting the wrist or arms of the attacker in order for him to release his weapon such as stick or blade.

In your own opinion, taking into consideration of all the kinds of stick fighting which is more effective. The Chinese are good in one single long stick or a tripple folded stick. Can we get even or better in defense against these using the Arnis.

It is not only a matter of being good in one branch of martial arts but how effective and practical against another one. I know we always say, all martial arts are good but some has an over all advantage against the other. It might have been proven by you in some cases where you have an actual spar with those with other kind of stick or elongated weapon.

I appreciate your comments.

Thanks


 
Can we add more techniques? I would think so Professor Presas always shows something new when going to a seminar. I think he refines a lot of the concepts over the years to turn out more or better techniques.

The FMA concepts can lead you to alot of different techniques from other systems. When training with other practitioners from different systems I look for ways to relate it to my FMA training and usually there is a way.

"How effective the releasing technique when we block stick against a stick."
I dont fully understand this question. If it is what I think it means then would it depend on how you train?? I mean we are taught to abandon the stick if needed.

Out of curiosity how many people also do empty hand translation of staff techniques or how about translating your stick forms to staff or empty hand?
 
i believe we have a responsibility to the one who taught us to make our art improve, not to keep it the same. what i respect about the presas family is that they took what they learn and then investigate to make it better. if the presas's kept to one style like how they learn as boys there would be no simplification and fusing of the styles. to my knowledge in the 1980s other arnisadors began to blend -as they alwasy have- but then gave credit where it is due (we got this from this style this from that style). i believe the investigating and testing of other style makes your fighting better.

as of right now, i spar only a few friends i have who do japanese and korean style and then my own students. when we have our enrollment up i will go out more to meet new friends to exchange with, but i believe strongly in this kind of development.

as far as application of staff style to my empty hand or any kind of "translation" at all, i do very little. i was taught that each weapon has a different strength and weakness (like the stick and the knife) it is foolish to waste time trying to fit a square into a circle. when we study the blade we study the blade. when we use the hand, we use the hand. now, strategys may be similiar, but not identical. i find that theoretical teachers who do not make their students test their skills teach this way (like in seminar and "concepts class").
 
Ropaki and Kuntaw:

Thank you for your professional understanding on the improvement or infusing of some new ones to the original techniques we learn from our instructors.

I raised this question, as I look at it, if we are tied up to an original technique being taught to us, then we will be in different scenario or situation - it would be impractical to use the pre arranged techniques being taught, but instead we modify them into a practical way of executing.

Like the different blockings in karate, to me it seems it is slow in the execution. Take for instance, we use "Inside/Outside Block" to parry a punch thrown by an opponent to us. It is slower then if we are going to use an open palm block be it outside or outside in directions.

Again, in Arnis, if we block stick to stick a strike from an opponent and that opponent is stronger, for sure he has the edge. We should remember that when someone strike us forcefully and we have a weaker hand to block that strikes for sure we will be pinned down. Not unless, we will just deflect the strikes by our stick and let that delivered strikes to go through.

What I have seen now that is very effective in Arnis is. If someone strike me with it, I will just strike the wrist or hands of the striker, not to block the stick with my stick also.

I continue analyzing every move and techniques I've learned at early stage and I see myself that I am deviating from most of it. I learned also good techniques from street people who don't have normal MA training and found effective.
 
disregard.

[This message has been edited by jrf (edited 12-26-2000).]
 
When translating staff and stick into empty hand or stick into staff or stick into empty hand is to broaden your range of line familiarization. If you take a look at the Presas 12 strikes, you can use stick, knife and staff based off of those 12 strikes. Each will require minor modification due to the weapon used. You could even take the nunchaku or tabak toyok and apply them to the Presas strikes even though the returning lines will be different the strikes could follow the 12 as defined by Prof Remy Presas. In fact you could use your body as a fulcrum adding power while redirecting the tabak toyok into a different reurning angle.
 
In kali there are no stances or even blocks for that matter. In arnis(spanish we see both of those concepts used alot. They also teach politically corect knife fighting. wow what a concept!!!
Paulo
 
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