Let's revisit that old Lierenaar... again

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Well, most of you guys will probably know this knife

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And if you have, you've also seen this knife

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If you have not, you should check out this thread: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1052190-Lierenaar-revisited-comparison-pics

Then again, I'm pretty sure you haven't seen these guys. I hadn't, until yesterday...



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As some of you might have read in the chat thread, a relative and good friend of the family (he's in his 70s) had a Lierenaar on him when we met for dinner a couple of weeks ago. He's very into family history and regional history as well so he was intrigued by the story of the type of knife. His own Lierenaar had belonged to his dad. At a later moment het contacted me and said he had a few others in a drawer somewhere that had belonged to his niece. Her dad (yep, we're going way back in time now) always said she had to carry a couple of blades on her, it could always come in handy for all sorts of stuff, even self defense if she had to (different times, mind you, around WW1). So she did, and she carried these even when she went to a retirement home up until she passed away. And now, my cousin (not really cousin, but you know, further away in the family tree) gifted them to me.

The first is a large Lierenaar. Now I can finally see where Robert Herder took his blueprints for his modern incarnation. They're pretty much the same in overall measurements. The locking bar is also pinned onto the back of the handle.

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The smaller one is not as small as the one I have that belonged to my great grandfather.

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It does show similarities though. Look at the notch in the wood below the locking mechanism, that's absent in the large Lierenaar. Also, the locking bar is nested in the wood as you can see below:

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The blade is heavily used and seems to have been a different bladeshap. Looks like it might have been somewhat wharnclif alike? The heel of the edge is way broader than in the other blades... This one also has some remaining markings. E (or F) CKT, AERSCHOT. That last one is the name of a town, still in old spelling. It's now called Aarschot, not that far away from me and some 30km from Lier (hence Lierenaar).

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Then, in the end there's also this one. Looks like a pruning blade of some kind? I wouldn't know... Interesting, and pretty large too, but not the focus of this thread.

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So, now I've got a little collection of Lierenaar knives (or Pinjaar, from the French Poignard or 'Dagger' as some still call them).

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I have some cleaning up to do on the red rust and pocket lint here and there, so I'll be outta here. Hope you guys enjoyed it!
 
Great thread. Many thanks for the great pics and for telling us more about this interesting and historic regional pattern :thumbup:
 
Those are some rugged-looking folders.
I was going to suggest that your different-shaped blade started out the same shape and got ground down, but I see the back drops too much and there's no nail nick.
Thanks for the education, and keep us posted if you find any more variants.
 
Very cool! Thanks for sharing these with us, and for posting such nice photographs.
I really like the Lierenaar, seems a very useful design. Going to have to try one out some time.
 
Thank You for posting these treasures Galeocerdoshark! It is very nice to see the early example of the outside mounted spring, somehow this makes the Robert Herder that Andi gave me seem somewhat even more special ( if such a thing were even possible :) ) It is a great tool which is very capable :thumbup: enjoy and treasure those family heirlooms!
 
simple elegance. perfectly utilitarian handle, pinned lock bar, and a good old carbon steel blade. very useful blade style. congrats my friend and thanks for the touching story.
 
WOW!!! Those knives are actually talking to us. So much character and history. Thanks for sharing them. Please don't overdo it with the cleaning.
 
Great thread. Many thanks for the great pics and for telling us more about this interesting and historic regional pattern :thumbup:

Thanks for the kind words, JB.

Those are some rugged-looking folders.
I was going to suggest that your different-shaped blade started out the same shape and got ground down, but I see the back drops too much and there's no nail nick.
Thanks for the education, and keep us posted if you find any more variants.

Indeed, no nail nick and the at the widest point of the blade it is just too wide in comparison with the others (even the larger ones). The blade protrudes in a 90° angle from the handles pretty far out. I hope to find more of them in the future, but I'm guessing those would be lucky finds...

Very cool! Thanks for sharing these with us, and for posting such nice photographs.
I really like the Lierenaar, seems a very useful design. Going to have to try one out some time.
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They're not GECs, but they can stand their own, especially in food prep. Try one out and if it's not for you, pass it on :thumbup:

Thank You for posting these treasures Galeocerdoshark! It is very nice to see the early example of the outside mounted spring, somehow this makes the Robert Herder that Andi gave me seem somewhat even more special ( if such a thing were even possible :) ) It is a great tool which is very capable :thumbup: enjoy and treasure those family heirlooms!

These treasures are indeed just that, not in monetary value but definitely in historical value. I treasure them and the stories behind them.

simple elegance. perfectly utilitarian handle, pinned lock bar, and a good old carbon steel blade. very useful blade style. congrats my friend and thanks for the touching story.

Thanks, and you're welcome!

WOW!!! Those knives are actually talking to us. So much character and history. Thanks for sharing them. Please don't overdo it with the cleaning.

They are, they are. They've seen a lot, I'm sure. I haven't overdone the cleaning. Just some WD40 to get the lint out, rubbing a bit here and there with a toothpick and needle to get some of the red rust of and a bit of rubbing with a piece of cloth. The knives are too far gone (rust, edge problems) to be used in any way so I won't be putting new edges on 'em. I'm keeping them as they are, with a new light oil coating now and then and that'll be it :thumbup:. I'm gonna look for some display stands so I can put them in a showcase in the house.

interesting stuff!

It is, thanks!
 
Great knives, are the Robert Herder knives available anywhere? My search didn't turn up anything.
 
I like this pattern, and it looks like Herder has done a good job with the current version. Too bad they are hard to find on this side of the pond.
 
It is interesting to see the lineage and how the locking bar changed its orientation. The externally mounted locking bar seems to be an easier method of construction but not as rugged as the internal sandwich method.. Thanks for sharing.
 
Great knives, are the Robert Herder knives available anywhere? My search didn't turn up anything.

The only places I've seen them available are German online webshops. I don't know if they ship outside Europe. I had a German native buy one for me since my German is very rusty :). PM me if you want to know the webshops where they are available.

I like this pattern, and it looks like Herder has done a good job with the current version. Too bad they are hard to find on this side of the pond.

It's a good incarnation for sure. A better steel might be more adequate. It's really good in the kitchen but it dulls rather quickly from cutting on wooden or plastic boards. The blade is really thin, that helps in the cutting abilities but not in edge retention.

It is interesting to see the lineage and how the locking bar changed its orientation. The externally mounted locking bar seems to be an easier method of construction but not as rugged as the internal sandwich method.. Thanks for sharing.

Good points... The externally mounted locking bar is pretty secure though. Even in the century-old examples there isn't the slightest wiggle in the locking bar (however, in the blades there is definitely some movement but still not too much). Therefore, I'm not sure if those pins are actually pins or maybe threaded...

Thank you for the extra information on this fascinating knife!

You're welcome!
 
I've always liked the various European peasant/farmer/working man inexpensive knives, of various patterns. Knives that are not made with aesthetics in mind, purely function, something a working man can pick up for cheap and know that he'll have a reliable cutting edge on hand when needed. And yet they often have a very alluring look anyways, somehow. Great knives.
 
Look at the edge bevel on that large, old Lierenaar. Someone really appreciated a nice, thin edge for slicing! That's the way I like 'em, too!

Thanks for the pics and history!
 
Look at the edge bevel on that large, old Lierenaar. Someone really appreciated a nice, thin edge for slicing! That's the way I like 'em, too!

Thanks for the pics and history!

That was one of the first things I noticed too. Makes me feel not so bad about some of the thin edges that I let develop unplanned on a couple of my knives.
 
Yep, the edge is very thin on that large old Lierenaar, and therefore chipped in many places as well. But still véry sharp in most places.
What my cousin told me was that she often used the knife in a semi-opened position, like so:

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She positioned it that way on the table so she could push a thread underneath the edge and cut it while she was busy knitting. That way, she didn't have to fondle with scissors. The edge was sharp enough that the threads would pop right away, saving her a lot of time while knitting.
 
That's really cool the hear those kinds of details about the manner in which someone used their tool to suit their tastes:)
 
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