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Krav

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So today I went to the range. I just brought 3,000 of this ammo. It was on sale for $169.00 a 1000 rounds

115 grain. I brought my CZ 75 sp01 and my glock 26 both chamber in 9 mm

I have 4 mags that hold 18 rounds for the CZ, 2 came with the gun and I bought 2 brand new.

Never had a problem with any of my guns, ever. Usually use brazzer brass 124 gr. Or hotshots 124 gr.

Today I brought 300 rounds of the Tulammo.

Loaded all four mags of the CZ. And began shooting. About 100 rounds into reloading I noticed one of the mags getting jammed as I was putting the ammo in the mag.

So I stopped, emptied it out and tried again, same problem. So I put that aside. Was shooting my 26 no problems, no FTF nothing.

Switch back to the CZ. All of a sudden a FTF. Dropped the mag, cleared the gun. Check the mag, ok

Back to firing. Another FTF. This happened 4 times with different mags?

Never happened with the glock 26.

Glock has less than 400 rounds through it. CZ has about 1500. All of my guns are cleaned after use, never over lubed.

I'm guessing it's this ammo. Have any of you had experience with Tul?

What's the best ammo to buy for range time for the price. I may just stay with Hotshots or brazzer brass.
 

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I just shot 100 rounds of Tula the other day, but not 9mm.

I think your issue is the steel casing. As a noobie, I don't know why but I've heard Glocks and steel cased don't mix. I've heard it has to do with a lacquer coating, but I don't think they're lacquer coated any longer (polymer?). I don't really know, sticking in the chamber? I've read a few things about it when I was look at a G19, but I really don't remember.

But yes, try google. Search "Tula Glock 26." I bet you get an answer in a minute or two. :thumbup:
 
I buy the Tula ammo specifically to shoot when I'm at the indoor ranges because I don't have to worry about picking up the brass to reload.

I've shot a lot of it and haven't really had any problems with it.
 
vanslem6 said:
I just shot 100 rounds of Tula the other day, but not 9mm.

I think your issue is the steel casing. As a noobie, I don't know why but I've heard Glocks and steel cased don't mix. I've heard it has to do with a lacquer coating, but I don't think they're lacquer coated any longer (polymer?). I don't really know, sticking in the chamber? I've read a few things about it when I was look at a G19, but I really don't remember.

But yes, try google. Search "Tula Glock 26." I bet you get an answer in a minute or two. :thumbup:
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Thanks, they ran perfectly in my glock. I had problems with the CZ mags and FTF. Sorry I know my rant was confusing. Lol
 
Number your magazines to make sure it is not one of them that is consistently acting up. Maybe even mark strikes against the mags on a piece of paper.

I'm cheap so I'd still use up the tula ammo. After that I'd shoot whatever the department is buying or happens to be cheapest in your neck of the woods. On an "at the checkout basis". Defensive ammo is more picky ofc.

You could try loading your mags 1 or 2 rounds short of full capacity. See if that makes a difference; also open up the mags and see if there is gunk or sand in them. It's a pain and you shouldn't have to do it but...

I suppose you could also play with heavier/lighter recoil springs if you want to shoot the cheaper ammo. Or if the glocks will swallow it run the tula ammo through them and go back to your previous diet for the cz.

I suppose there is training value in using junk ammo. You get good at clearing jams. A good skill to have. Mix those rounds in with your other practice ammo and you'll get practice with random unexpected FTF. Also a good skill to have. :D
 
sideways said:
Number your magazines to make sure it is not one of them that is consistently acting up. Maybe even mark strikes against the mags on a piece of paper.

I'm cheap so I'd still use up the tula ammo. After that I'd shoot whatever the department is buying or happens to be cheapest in your neck of the woods. On an "at the checkout basis". Defensive ammo is more picky ofc.

You could try loading your mags 1 or 2 rounds short of full capacity. See if that makes a difference; also open up the mags and see if there is gunk or sand in them. It's a pain and you shouldn't have to do it but...

I suppose you could also play with heavier/lighter recoil springs if you want to shoot the cheaper ammo. Or if the glocks will swallow it run the tula ammo through them and go back to your previous diet for the cz.

I suppose there is training value in using junk ammo. You get good at clearing jams. A good skill to have. Mix those rounds in with your other practice ammo and you'll get practice with random unexpected FTF. Also a good skill to have. :D
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Very good idea, thanks for the suggestions. I think it's Tul full metal jacket that is causing problems. Seems just a touch thicker at the base.

The CZ has the factory recoil spring. But maybe it's had its day. This gun was on display at the range I shoot at, so I'm sure it's seen its fair share of knuckle heads letting the side lock release without ammo. Thanks for that insight, I would of never thought of replacing that spring. 👍

My mags never been dropped in dirt or sand. Me thinks it's a combination of the FMJ and the spring.
 
Wait a second... are we talking failure to fire as in:

a) you drop the hammer on a live round and no boom.
or
b) it goes boom but fails to cycle the next round properly?

I just assumed the second case since those are the more likely jams.

My bad if I got it wrong.

If it is light primer strikes that is a different issue all together. Military ammo primers can be built tougher and require a harder strike to set them off. That shouldn't be a problem as the cz 75 is a military design but it is possible that through use the hammer spring has gotten weak, or the firing pin is off, and that is causing light strikes. That would be a gunsmith issue.
 
I've always ran 9mm Tula through my Glock 19 and never had a problem... I think it's great stuff for the money. On the other hand, my AR has always had a heck of a time running anything steel case. I think it depends on the gun and what it'll eat.
 
sideways said:
Wait a second... are we talking failure to fire as in:

a) you drop the hammer on a live round and no boom.
or
b) it goes boom but fails to cycle the next round properly?

I just assumed the second case since those are the more likely jams.

My bad if I got it wrong.

If it is light primer strikes that is a different issue all together. Military ammo primers can be built tougher and require a harder strike to set them off. That shouldn't be a problem as the cz 75 is a military design but it is possible that through use the hammer spring has gotten weak, or the firing pin is off, and that is causing light strikes. That would be a gunsmith issue.
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Failure to feed, I'm a novice to firearms. Lol
 
The ammo wasn't feeding correctly so the slide wasn't going all the way forward. Couple times it was like a quarter inch maybe a half inch away from getting there.
 
It's the ammo, simplest solution is unfortunately shell out a few more bucks and buy the better stuff. We've all been tempted by the sweet allure of cheap ammo.
 
I've issues with Tula 9mm. Tula 7.62x39 has been great for me but when I tried to shoot tula 9mm it was a disaster. It was with my glock 19. The rounds that worked functioned fine but there were 4 or 5 rounds out of each box of 50 that didn't fire. Don't remember if they were duds or hard primers. It was DIRTY ammo too. Either way that was the last time I bought tula 9mm. The rounds could easily have slight variations in the powder load as well so if you shoot a round that is a light load that can cause the round to not be fully ejected, in any gun.
 
I have shot several thousand rounds of Tula in several calibers and guns, no problems with it. It is however fairly dirty, the first thing I would do with your cz mags is pop the bottom off and clean them well. Unburnt powder and just general gunk from the ammo can get blown into the mags and can cause them to not feed well. They might also be a little underpowered for your particular gun they might not be causing enough recoil to fully work the slide. If the mags aren't dirty thats a possibility too as is a worn recoil spring. It may not have enough energy returning to battery to fully chamber the round. There could also be build up in the chamber from the coating on the steel case. Any or all of those can combine to cause the failure to feed issues. So a good cleaning of all parts and a new recoil spring should solve your problems. If not well shoot them out of the Glock it will run them fine. Winchester white box works very well too and is pretty cheap in bulk if you just want to change ammo's.
 
I've never tried steel-cased handgun ammo, but I did have one AR that wouldn't cycle reliably using Tula .223, while two others had no problems at all with it. I was told by a couple of people that Tula is loaded on the light side. The same gun got a live round of old lacquered Wolf or Brown Bear stuck in the chamber, at which point I just decided to swear off steel across the board.

However, Tula is just the importer, so an issue with one batch might not be repeated in the future.
 
Thanks for the help. I'll clean the mags first, then give them another try. I got 2,700 more rounds of Tul left. I'll start with the easiest solutions first. I'll bring my Hotshot ammo with the Tul and see if maybe because they are slightly underpowered.
 
sideways said:
Wait a second... are we talking failure to fire as in:

a) you drop the hammer on a live round and no boom.
or
b) it goes boom but fails to cycle the next round properly?
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b) above is not a failure to fire. It's another stoppage.

The eight steps in the cycle of function are feeding, chambering, locking, firing, unlocking, extracting, ejecting, and cocking. The eight possible stoppages (unintended interruptions in the cycle odf function) are defined as failures to feed, failures to chamber, failures to lock, failures to fire, etc.
 
Yeah... I initially read "FTF" to be a generic jam and then confused myself thinking FTF stands for "failure to fire" forgetting that it can also stand for "failure to feed".

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :)
 
Its just the shittt dirty ammo like others pointed out. Id save that tula crap for a rainey day box it up and stash it. Get yourself some brass target ammo to practice with that isnt shit and wont dirty up your guns and mags extra fast. Winchester Freedom FMJ is cheap now
 
If you look around you can usually find Blazer Brass, Aguilla, or Fed American Eagle 124gr for around $0.20/rd. All good practice ammo in my book. I wouldn't say Tula is "bad" ammo, but I do believe the steel cases are "stickier" which can cause jams in tighter toleranced guns.
 
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