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Like a Tank ...(...photos)
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Sia,Yes the Military is tough like a tank.Thanks for sharing your beautiful pictures with us.tom.
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Thats a T-34? Right?
The T-34 was designed to deflect Panzer 88mm rounds and using its larger cannon (cant remember size) kill'em where they stood, it also was equipped with larger treds than most tanks of the time to deal with the mud of the Russian spring.
First implementation in battle was by one of the test crews. (The way the Russians have pretty much always done it.) This single T-34 killed IIRC 28 Panzers before the Germans got a 105mm howitzer behind the sucker and took it out.
What a way to go...
The T-34 was designed to deflect Panzer 88mm rounds and using its larger cannon (cant remember size) kill'em where they stood, it also was equipped with larger treds than most tanks of the time to deal with the mud of the Russian spring.
First implementation in battle was by one of the test crews. (The way the Russians have pretty much always done it.) This single T-34 killed IIRC 28 Panzers before the Germans got a 105mm howitzer behind the sucker and took it out.
What a way to go...
Thanks
to SamuraiDave : ...Hi, but really i dont know, what its, some tank from WWII...
...but what i remember from school and history - Mai 1945 in the Prague, nazi groups cannot run from Prague and Czech, because from south coming American army, from east Russians, from west second front - which started at Omaha Beach and following attack to Berlin...and in this time still powerfull SS groups was fortified in the Prague and start here incredible cut-and-thrust, so you can find here many historical things - tanks,airplanes,and etc...
to SamuraiDave : ...Hi, but really i dont know, what its
, some tank from WWII......but what i remember from school and history - Mai 1945 in the Prague, nazi groups cannot run from Prague and Czech, because from south coming American army, from east Russians, from west second front - which started at Omaha Beach and following attack to Berlin...and in this time still powerfull SS groups was fortified in the Prague and start here incredible cut-and-thrust, so you can find here many historical things - tanks,airplanes,and etc...
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Great, now I want my CE Millie to come EVER FASTER
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Nice pictures! Offhand I would guess that the tank is a late model T-34-85 which was a (much) improved version of the original T-34 with an upsized 85mm cannon and turret. I'm guessing late model because I don't think any of the early models made it very far west 
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So would the Paramilitary be an APC (armored personnel carrier)?
.So would the Paramilitary be an APC (armored personnel carrier)?
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Thats a T-34? Right?
Right. With 76.2 mm canon with 100 rounds of ammo, of which 19 were AP, 53 HE, the rest was shrapnell. 2 7.62 mm machineguns, with 35 drum mags (65 round). Later it was equipped with 85 mm main gun.
The T-34 was designed to deflect Panzer 88mm rounds and using its larger cannon (cant remember size) kill'em where they stood,
Actually not. In 1941 when Hitler attacked USSR Germans simply didn't have any tanks with such large caliber guns.
T-34 could withstand german infantry standard 37mm anti tank canon AP projectiles on the distances over 300m, from 200-300m penetrators simply stuck in the armour plate. Only on the distances below 100m 37mm guns were effective.
I guess 88mm gun that you mentioned is 88mm German anti aricraft gun, which was the only thing that could deal with T-34 and even with heavier KV tanks(along with the JU-87 stuka dive bomber), although anti tank warfare was not its primary design.
it also was equipped with larger treds than most tanks of the time to deal with the mud of the Russian spring.
Yup. And diesel engine, which provided much better survivability on the battlefield compared to gasoline engine powered tanks.
First implementation in battle was by one of the test crews. (The way the Russians have pretty much always done it.) This single T-34 killed IIRC 28 Panzers before the Germans got a 105mm howitzer behind the sucker and took it out.
I am not sure how many test crews were out there but the real picture was much worse. Most of the tank crews in the red army had very little or no training with the new T-34 and KV tanks. A lot of tanks went into the battle w/o AP shells, only HE, and practically none of them had full load of ammo anyways. Lack or spare parts and retreival machines finished the job.
From S. Zaloga's book - "... one determined 37mm gun crew reported firing 23 times against a single t-34 only managing to jam the tank's turret ring." As you can see tank was the very best for what it was designed, but not the crew training. After being struck 23 times that T-34 let that crew live to report. On many occasions russian tankers simply had no other choice than to ram enemy tanks or just roll over anti tank guns...
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Small correction. I believe the tank in Simona's wonderful pictures is a T-34-85 (the later model) with a high velocity 85mm cannon and expanded/improved turret. Check out the length of the main gun, the T-34-76's had short stubby cannon, the 85 had a big long 'un like in the picture.