Linerlock knives

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I hadnt bought a folder in years and the whole linerlock thing was totally new to me.

It sure seems to me to be a helluvan ingenious improvement. When were LL first available and by who? Did anyone make a KILLING on the patent? Thanks

dfl
 
Bucksstophere

A key thing to liner locks is the quality regarding fit and finish thereof. The spyderco military (considered by many) is a great liner lock. So get one from a decent company, or you will be disappointed. The framelock is seen as an improvement on the liner lock since you can squeeze the lock for a titer lockup under use.
 
Schrade had liner locks way before Walker.
 
Michael Walker trademarked "Linerlock" but did not invent the concept of a lockign liner.

Others will tell you that Walker also perfected the design, made it more robust and made the locking liner a viable alternative to the pervasive lockbacks...
 
here's an old knives illustrated article by bernard levine (text only)
http://www.knife-expert.com/liners.txt

regarding the older locking liner knives (quoting from the article):
Mike was familiar with the old locking liner design patented
by Watson & Chadwick in 1906 for Cattaraugus. Used first on
traditional folding hunters, this mechanism became standard on
electricians' pocketknives, and was also used on Cub Scout
knives. In this design, the liner projects above the handle, and
it is split lengthwise, alongside the pivot pin. The side of its
narrow tip engages the front edge of the tang when the locked
blade is open.

Mike noted that only a thin extension of the liner could be
used as the lock in the Watson & Chadwick design. This was
because most of the liner had to engage the pivot pin, in order
to hold the knife together against the tension of the backspring.
The result is that this type of lock is inherently weak.

Mike went back to first principles. He realized that if
spring tension and lock-up could be provided by a liner alone, he
would be able to dispense with the backspring entirely. With the
back spring gone, he could then have the end of the liner cut-out
engage the bottom end of the tang, making for a much stronger and
more positive lock. Indeed it would be nearly as strong as the
old Marble's Safety folder (patented in 1902), while dispensing
with that knife's long, awkward, and fragile fold-up extension
guard (the folded guard serves as that knife's lock when the
blade is opened).
 
i have a few of these old cub scout knives and electricians knives that article refers to and mine would date from the 1920s to 1940s so there definitely are some older liner locks pre michael walker. i will say in comparing his style to the old style his are much tougher more reliable and a much improved designed.
 
Folks, I'm not a knife historian nor an avid collector, but I am old. I saw liner lock knives with no backspring back in the '50s.
 
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i'd still love to see any pics you guys might have of "pre-walker" liner locks

i've been searching the internet to no avail :(
 
Here's a liner lock Colonial electrician that belonged to my father in law.

Luis


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Here's another angle.

Luis


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wow, that's really an excellent and informative pic :thumbup:

i can now see what the article was saying about how the lock had to "split" around the pivot pin. it appears to be a thin piece of liner that is actually engaging the blade.

this knife has a back spring i assume?

thank you, Don Luis for sharing this great pic of your knife :)
 
Thanks for sharing those pics, Don Luis, that is a fantastic old knife. :thumbup:
 
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