Little question regarding the Busse Argonne Assault LB

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Virre87

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http://www.bussecombat.com/argonne-assault-lb/ So i have finely got the permit to import this knife to Sweden (needed due to the knuckleduster shaped handle)

Tho now i saw this on the site "The Argonne Assault is restricted from delivery to certain states under the provisions of those certain state statutes. We are restricted by law from shipping the Argonne Assault outside the United States."

So i would like to know what that is about? Is ther illigal to export it from the states? Its a knife for 747$ and ontop of that my import permit cost me just short of 100$ so i really want to know if ther is some legal problem exporting it from the states, since i was only thinking about the import part (stupid me i know) So could anyone help me to clear this up?

With regards Virre

PS: If this should be in the Busse forum, im sorry, just tought its more a general legal question.
 
You can e-mail Busse directly and ask them if they will send one to you, although it doesn't look like they will. Go to the link you posted and click on "Contact Us" at the top/right of the screen.
 
Nono thats not the problem, i got lots of friends in the states that can buy it for me and ship it, no problem, the problem is this part "We are restricted by law from shipping the Argonne Assault outside the United States." I dont want US costoms to take it, since exporting it apperently is against the law. Want to know what law they are refaring to.
 
I can see how nightvision and bullet resistant vests are restricted from export but knives?
Surely makes it sound cool and special, even if there isn't such law for knives.
Anybody knows the law in question here?
Thank you!

ps: Have traveled to all kinds of countries from the US and always had some knives with me. Some small, some big and once even two Katanas. Most of the times my suitcases had been screened and there was never any issue leaving America with any kind of blade. Did I just get lucky? :confused:
 
First, I am not a lawyer or customs official, so please take my comment as just that, a comment/opinion. That said, I don't know of any specific law that would prohibit Busse from shipping this knife overseas.

My opinion is that overseas laws vary so greatly that to preclude a bad customer experience where a knife is siezed by the receiver's customs office, Busse has simply instituted a POLICY of not shipping this knife overseas. They have enough troubles keeping the laws of 50 states and DC in line.

Any company can say something is because of a law when it is simply their "policy" (company rule) to do or not do whatever they are doing. If they (which ever company you pick) CANNOT or WILL NOT specifically identify, by statue number, the "law" to which they refer, then most likely the law they are quoting does not exist. This doesn't mean you will be able to convince them to break company policy, however.

In the OP's case, the fact that he had to get a special license/permit to acquire the knife shows one of the instances where, w/o the proper paper work, a knife would be confiscated on arrival, Busse wouldn't know such a Swedish law existed and have an unhappy customer who was out both money, knife and, maybe, depending on the country, their freedom.
 
zzyzzogeton said:
First, I am not a lawyer or customs official, so please take my comment as just that, a comment/opinion. That said, I don't know of any specific law that would prohibit Busse from shipping this knife overseas.

My opinion is that overseas laws vary so greatly that to preclude a bad customer experience where a knife is siezed by the receiver's customs office, Busse has simply instituted a POLICY of not shipping this knife overseas. They have enough troubles keeping the laws of 50 states and DC in line.

Any company can say something is because of a law when it is simply their "policy" (company rule) to do or not do whatever they are doing. If they (which ever company you pick) CANNOT or WILL NOT specifically identify, by statue number, the "law" to which they refer, then most likely the law they are quoting does not exist. This doesn't mean you will be able to convince them to break company policy, however.

In the OP's case, the fact that he had to get a special license/permit to acquire the knife shows one of the instances where, w/o the proper paper work, a knife would be confiscated on arrival, Busse wouldn't know such a Swedish law existed and have an unhappy customer who was out both money, knife and, maybe, depending on the country, their freedom.
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Thanks for the input, and dont worry i wont blame you if it turn out wrong, but you Think its totaly safe to tell my friend to ship it, then just show the import permit for the Swedish customs when they want to see it?
 
Virre87 said:
Thanks for the input, and dont worry i wont blame you if it turn out wrong, but you Think its totaly safe to tell my friend to ship it, then just show the import permit for the Swedish customs when they want to see it?
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I would THINK it would be. Busse wants to sell knives. I also know that they ship to Australia sometimes because I have seen Australian forum members exchanging posts with them (the Busse ladies - Pokey1 and Lexi) about purchases. You might try calling them directly and asking. I'm sure that if you have the paperwork already in line over there in Sweden for importing it, they could send it. Might have to fax them a copy of the license.
 
I concur with these other posters. The statement "We are restricted by law from shipping the Argonne Assault outside the United States" appears to be dishonest at the very least. While the US has arms trafficking laws that prevent certain things from shipping, they are primarily about things like missile guidance systems, radio encryption, , military hardware and vehicles or their plans, etc. There is no such regulation I can find anywhere in the federal code about any kind of hand-weapon, much less a simple knife. I had to read these regs as part of an annual seminar on info security and such.

I believe they made such a statement for the reasons the others stated: To avoid a message customer service nightmare when the very, very expensive product gets confiscated by that country's custom's office. If there was even a smidge of truth to their claim, every single US based purchaser would be required to sign a special contract swearing they will not re-sell any knives they purchase.

It's possible they could be negotiated with to send it to you, but it's also possible they may refuse anyway or clam up for fear if they made an exception for you, the jig would be up that they lied about the export restriction. You could give it a try but your friend acting as a proxy is a perfectly legal and legitimate alternative.
 
glistam said:
I concur with these other posters. The statement "We are restricted by law from shipping the Argonne Assault outside the United States" appears to be dishonest at the very least. While the US has arms trafficking laws that prevent certain things from shipping, they are primarily about things like missile guidance systems, radio encryption, , military hardware and vehicles or their plans, etc. There is no such regulation I can find anywhere in the federal code about any kind of hand-weapon, much less a simple knife. I had to read these regs as part of an annual seminar on info security and such.

I believe they made such a statement for the reasons the others stated: To avoid a message customer service nightmare when the very, very expensive product gets confiscated by that country's custom's office. If there was even a smidge of truth to their claim, every single US based purchaser would be required to sign a special contract swearing they will not re-sell any knives they purchase.

It's possible they could be negotiated with to send it to you, but it's also possible they may refuse anyway or clam up for fear if they made an exception for you, the jig would be up that they lied about the export restriction. You could give it a try but your friend acting as a proxy is a perfectly legal and legitimate alternative.
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Boo for dishonest Companys, anyway thanks for the information, makes sence, tho if it is as you said, you explain it much beter woithout lying to a passible customers face, thanks again:)
 
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