little story about sharpening

DEA

DEA

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call me butterfingers :)
i was arranging some of my gear when i pulled this jacket out, and my kershaw avalanche dropped out, deployed on it's own, and hit the floor HARD
the edge was so badly hurt it couldn't cut paper ;)
i popped out my DMT fine stone and spent 10 min working on it
voila, arm hair popping sharp :)

jesus, i heard so much about s60v being a bitch to sharpen i nearly had a coronary when i saw the edge
it's things like these that reaffirm your faith in your ability to sharpen

by contrast my MOD trident simply wouldn't take a good edge, sigh

long live kershaw~!
 
There's something quite disconcerting about a knife that deploys on it's own. or a sheath that does not hold a knife in securely.

As nice as the blade is, get rid of the knife, or simply let it sit in your desk for use as a letter opener...

Think of it this way, would you carry a gun that goes off by itself? even if it's just a rare occasion?
 
CPM-440V Is harder to sharpen than most steels, but those diamond hones make short work of it!

I have heard other stories of the spring assisted Kershaws popping open when dropped, and I dont think it is that big of a deal. The jolt pops the blade open just enough to where the spring takes over.
 
yeah, what k_man said
it was a good jolt (think flying knife) that caused the spring assist to kick in
i still love that knife
great EDC
 
flying jolt or not, would you still make the same excuses if it had landed point first into your foot? what if it had injured a child?

All excuses aside, the design is essentially unsafe in its present incarnation.

Again, would you carry a loaded gun which would discharge if dropped or given a firm jolt?
 
MM: I think the primary difference here is that the knife is going to stay put where it drops, not shoot across the room into a crib or whatnot..if you're barefoot and it sticks into your foot.. then thats a rough situation but what can you do? i've dropped fixed blades to have them bounce off my shoe before. it happens. as for injuring a child... let's just hope no one's fooling around with knives above a kid in the first place

-IPR
 
but if one is satisfied with the "apparent" security of such a knife, then so be it.

I for one am not satisfied, and I am sure that others are not as well.

I've learned that there is no convincing someone to do, or not to do, something that they want to do. Many will simply justify it by saying "but other circumstances made it so". This is not wrong, nor is it right. It's just a matter of opinion.

Counterpoints include that accidents happen which are uncontrolled. DEA had no control of when that knife was going to fly out of his pocket, and had no control over whether or not there was going to be a child or any other living creature around.

Accidents do happen, an assisted opening knife is less safe in an accident than a manual knife. If the risks are acceptable, then the owner alone bears the responsibility for accepting the risk, and essentially if someone is injured, if the owner knows of the extra risk, then it would be to his negligence. The same goes for someone driving an unsafe car, handling an unsafe pistol, using an unsafe power tool.
 
In Regards to selfdeployment, I keep my Kershaw Whirlwind in my Left pocket to keep the blade tucked against my pocket seem, than again I don't carry the Whirlwind as much as I used to because of that problem, I do however carry my Chive everyday, the little tailpiece lock has never failed.

Diamond hones are great, as long as you don't oversharpen the blade. I work with a guy who strokes his Gerber/Harsey Air Ranger everyday and complains that the blade is wearing down, well duh, what did he expect?

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methinks you're not a big fan of autos then ;)

i would say that, yes, the onion/kershaw speedsafe collaborations are incrementally less safe than a manual folder

there are risks to everthing in life.. taking them does not always equal negligence

MHO of course

('course my idea of a high time is tearing down the freeway on my motorcycle, chive riding shotgun RFP, safety off :D)
 
and I've had a microtech open up in my pocket and ruin a very nice pair of jeans. That microtech was immediately placed in my desk. I only carry Benchmade auto's which have the safety.

Negligence only occurs if there is an accident and someone is hurt. Kinda like the saying... "it's only illegal if you're caught".

Risk is not negligence... but negligence is extra risk.

It's fine if you wanna ride down the highway on your motorcycle. I ride a Honda Nighthawk myself... the point is, if you get on that motorcycle that was designed to accellerate uncontrollably to 100mph as soon as you get past 30 mph, knowing that and getting on the road is pretty damn negligent.
 
i would agree with MM
but let me say that this will be an isolated incident
i normally keep my avalanche in my knife pouch
this time it was out in the open because i was cutting apples with it and forgot to keep it
won't happen again
 
I have children, and I rarely, if ever, pull out or handle a slipjoint, modern folder or fixed blade knife in their presence. If I do, I'm especially conscious of my movements and actions. When I'm by myself, I'm not as careful, because I know that I am the only one at risk. I think this applies to most people.

If we take your analogies further, MM, no knife is safer than A knife. Walking is safer than driving, etc., etc. We are confronted with judgement calls everyday, and determine for ourselves what level of risk is acceptable given the specific situation at hand.

MM, you are a melancholy dude indeed.

With that being said, I personally am not a big fan of the Kershaw auto assist designs. I tried out a Chive, and didn't like the way it almost opens by itself. I didn't trust that little lock by the blade tip.

However, most of my friends think I'm a little off because I simply have an interest in knives. Everything is relative. I myself don't own any auto knives. Do I think no one should own them? No. You can determine for yourself what level of risk you want to accept.

What kind of environment are we in where we are mixing knifeplay and flying children anyway?!

Just a few rantings for your reading enjoyment.

Marco
 
This thread has made me think, maybe I shouldn't be trying to learn how to use my Balisong with my 2 kids in the room. A 2 year old girl and a 6 month old boy. Damn...
I am a big fan of the DMT hones. It took me a wile to get them, big bench stone fan, but now that I tried them I really like them.
 
Okay, Macavada,
You've convinced me... go on carrying your assisted opening knife. It's totally safe.
 
Originally posted by db
This thread has made me think, maybe I shouldn't be trying to learn how to use my Balisong with my 2 kids in the room. A 2 year old girl and a 6 month old boy.
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Maybe???? Definitely not db!! If this thread accomplishes one concrete point.., it should be this.

By the way.., I love and collect Balisongs, so this is hardly an "Anti-Balisong" comment.., but manipulating this type knife is a form of "Extreme Sport"..., and certainly not safe to practice around anyone that could be in harms way.


"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Seekers hunt what they [NEED]"
 
Originally posted by T. Erdelyi
In Regards to selfdeployment, I keep my Kershaw Whirlwind in my Left pocket to keep the blade tucked against my pocket seem, than again I don't carry the Whirlwind as much as I used to because of that problem, I do however carry my Chive everyday, the little tailpiece lock has never failed.

Diamond hones are great, as long as you don't oversharpen the blade. I work with a guy who strokes his Gerber/Harsey Air Ranger everyday and complains that the blade is wearing down, well duh, what did he expect?

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Is this pic for real or has it been doctored? I don't see how anyone could use the knife in that condition.

Mike
 
Medic, it's a doctored version, exagerated to make a point.

I can remeber my grandads jack knife having a blade that bad or worse, yet he would still give that blade a "lick on the stone", first thing every morning.
 
Originally posted by T. Erdelyi
Medic, it's a doctored version, exagerated to make a point.

I can remeber my grandads jack knife having a blade that bad or worse, yet he would still give that blade a "lick on the stone", first thing every morning.
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I thought so, just didn't want to outright call it a fake;) .

Take care,

Mike
 
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