LM Surge or Swiss Tool X?

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m10commander

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Hi, Would like to know which one is lighter? I know both are kind of big & on the heavy side but which one has the edge over the other. Thanks for any feedbacks:confused:
 
BTW. Get The Swisstool. Much better quality. Ask anyone who has both.
 
Thanks guys for your info! I might go with the Swiss Tool X because of a lot of good reviews & it's cheaper than the Surge.
 
Dont be fooled by how pretty and shiney the Swiss Tool is. It doesnt hold up to the heavy use like the Surge. Have had 2 Swiss Tools. One as a gift that I gave away. And the other one I actually bought in Switzerland so I keep it for memorys of the fun trip I had for my brothers wedding. But if you actually use your tools for heavy use as I do running large apartment complexes the Surge is going to hold up better. Both tools have been used from Air Conditioning repair, Plumbing, Appliance repair, irragation, carpetentry. And any other strange thing you might imagine when dealing with several thousand people living in Apartments. The 2 worst and most important things about the Swiss Tool is no true needle nose pliers. Dont know you can make a multi tool without needle nose???? And the philips head medal is soft and begins to show wear very fast!!!! And the darn thing is so shiney and smooth it wants to slip. So you got to put a crazy amount of pressure on it just to turn a slightly tight screw. Okay bring on the rebuddles.
 
s. serafin said:
Dont be fooled by how pretty and shiney the Swiss Tool is. It doesnt hold up to the heavy use like the Surge. Have had 2 Swiss Tools. One as a gift that I gave away. And the other one I actually bought in Switzerland so I keep it for memorys of the fun trip I had for my brothers wedding. But if you actually use your tools for heavy use as I do running large apartment complexes the Surge is going to hold up better. Both tools have been used from Air Conditioning repair, Plumbing, Appliance repair, irragation, carpetentry. And any other strange thing you might imagine when dealing with several thousand people living in Apartments. The 2 worst and most important things about the Swiss Tool is no true needle nose pliers. Dont know you can make a multi tool without needle nose???? And the philips head medal is soft and begins to show wear very fast!!!! And the darn thing is so shiney and smooth it wants to slip. So you got to put a crazy amount of pressure on it just to turn a slightly tight screw. Okay bring on the rebuddles.
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I have sevral LM's including the Charge xti and Core. I don't see how their tools beat the Swisstool. The only thing I see is the pliers on the Swisstool is a bit blunter but that has not stopped any applications that I use it for. We are talkng about a very small amount here.

The other tools are long and can reach into places I can't with my Leatherman Charge xdti. The Core does well with its larger tools but I have yet to find a deeper screw that the Swisstool cannot reach and the Core can.

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I beleive the Core and Surge have the same size tools. Just a note for comparisons sake since I don't have a Surge.
 
colubrid said:
I have sevral LM's including the Charge xti and Core. I don't see how their tools beat the Swisstool. The only thing I see is the pliers on the Swisstool is a bit blunter but that has not stopped any applications that I use it for. We are talkng about a very small amount here.

The other tools are long and can reach into places I can't with my Leatherman Charge xdti. The Core does well with its larger tools but I have yet to find a deeper screw that the Swisstool cannot reach and the Core can.

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I beleive the Core and Surge have the same size tools. Just a note for comparisons sake since I don't have a Surge.
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After 10 years with a Leatherman Super Tool, first the original, then ST200, I got hold of a Swisstool, which seemed like an improvement. But within a week of EDC, there were two occasions when my work was stymied by the lack of a true needle nose and that the plier jaws didn't open wide enough.

The odd thing was that I don't remember this sort of thing ever coming up before. That is, if I had been using a Swisstool instead of my STs all those years, it might never have occurred to me there was anything deficient about the Swisstool pliers.

It is always interesting to me how different and contradictory can be people's experiences with the same products.
 
colubrid said:
..and every Leatherman I have had rusts :yawn:
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None of my Leathermen in ten years has ever developed a speck of rust. But I always wipe them down at day's end after use, although I understand that not everyone is in a position to do so. Also, I live in a relatively dry climate. It can get humid during the summer, but nothing like in coastal regions or parts of the deep south.
 
m10commander said:
Thanks guys for your info! I might go with the Swiss Tool X because of a lot of good reviews & it's cheaper than the Surge.
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The guy already made his decision. I guess for a lot of people, it comes down to price. Just the other day I was in a cigar shop when I saw a Swisstool X selling for AU$100, which is about US$70. I was tempted to buy it after playing with it for a while. I have to say, the spring-locks are pretty nifty. I wish my Surge and Wave had those, then all the tools can open outside.

These plier multitools are quickly becoming an addiction. Fortunately, I thought hard, breathed in, and walked out of that shop with my 100 bucks still in my pocket. I can see how a lot of people here can collect so many of them.
 
SURGE:
Heavy
Rust
Expensive
Screw driver broke
Scissor plastic
Loose
Bulky sheath

SWISSTOOL:
Not Heavy
No rust (mine has 6 years old)
Not Expensive I paid $40 for it.
Screw Drivers can take abuse
Still not lose
Not bulky sheath
Plus great customer service hazel free


CANT GO WRONG WITH THE SWISSTOOL! :D
 
I had a Surge for a couple of months. After the "cool new tool" infatuation wore off, I decided that it was too over-built and a bit gimicky for me. Others who use theirs heavily each day might disagree. I traded it for an original Swisstool (with Tango44, as I recall), and the Swisstool is now my "heavy work" tool. I usually edc a Spirit though.
 
I don't understand people that complain about rust- if you maintain a tool, it won't rust.

The reason's that I like the Surge are the quality and toughness of it's blades, saw and good scissors.

The pliers are also excellent.

Also, because the Surge accepts T-shanks, you can turn it into a powerful hand saw for virtually any type of sawing.

I'm not saying anything against the Swiss Tool- I haven't got one and am not interested in buying one, but I have no real opinion about it.
 
=estolano;4032197]I don't understand people that complain about rust- if you maintain a tool, it won't rust.
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I live in the south and this summer I bought a brand new Leatherman kick. I opened the bubble wrap in came in and I placed it in my car. Not a week later it had rust on it- I never even touched it.

I also have the Core, Charge xti, Wave, KF4 and S2. All rusted even when they were not in use. Now I keep them so lathered up with oil I never each for them because I don't want the oil all over my hands.

Its no secret that LM tools rust. I beleive if you live in a real arid place like AZ, Calif, Texas ect you can get away with just wiping them down.

Either way you will not have these worries with a Victorinox multitool.

Another tool I really like is the SOG Powerlock. The thing is is made like a jewel. But the Vic is still off the top in quality.

I would rate them like this:

#1 Victorinox
#2 SOG
#3 LM
#6 Gerber
 
estolano said:
I don't understand people that complain about rust- if you maintain a tool, it won't rust.
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Some of us find ourselves in an enviroment which makes maintenace impossible until we get back , and when working in salt water this rust can appear in a couple of hours .
Welcom to the forums btw
Dunc
 
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