Lock Strength Testing - Riposte by Lynn C Thompson

I like watching these tests but I think that they need to be conducted by an independent third party if they are to have any credibility.
How do we know that Cold Steel will publish a test that they lose?
Will Cold Steel even conduct a test that they think they might lose?
How about testing one of yours against the Benchmade Adamas?
 
As Lynn said, he has every intention of releasing the results of every test that Andrew and our R&D team do. Win or lose.
We have lots of requests for a lot of different knives. I am not sure what they have planned next. You'll have to wait and see :)
 
I've all ready made a dare to cold steel for buck marksman vs any cold steel folder.

I'm glad to see you are planning to release the test video win or loose

ZTD
 
I've all ready made a dare to cold steel for buck marksman vs any cold steel folder.

I'm glad to see you are planning to release the test video win or loose

ZTD

The lock looks similar to the Wildsteer's without all the extra accoutrements. I wonder if a harder steel would help strengthen it some.
 
cs lawman vs spyderco paramilitary 2

I've always thought Sal Glesser has the best perspective on knife locks and his theory is evident in their design. Paraphrasing here but it is something like: in the end does it really matter whether the lock can hold 300 vs. 600 foot pounds of torque? Even in unreasonable use you get past a threshold where the lock just won't fail unless you are trying to make it fail (like in these CS tests). Lock strength is good but just as important as strength is lock reliability and ease of use.

For reliability it would be far easier to injure yourself if the lock simply did not engage when you thought it had vs. it failing when you are trying to use your knife to lift an engine block (because if you try this and injure yourself we'd just call it natural selection). Finally we just had an example on this subforum that shows the importance of ease of use beyond just the practical reasons. If the lock is hard to operate there is a high potential for injury while manipulating the lock (pocket bushman...).

So while I'd bet the American lawman is a stronger knife than the paramilitary 2 the compression lock is stronger than any reasonable person needs and in my opinion much easier to operate. Both the tri-ad lock and the compression lock are very reliable since they are simple by design. In contrast I would argue that the axis lock is an example of a strong, easy to use but unreliable lock because of the temperamental omega springs, which I've personally had fail on me causing the lock to not engage.
 
I've always thought Sal Glesser has the best perspective on knife locks and his theory is evident in their design. Paraphrasing here but it is something like: in the end does it really matter whether the lock can hold 300 vs. 600 foot pounds of torque? Even in unreasonable use you get past a threshold where the lock just won't fail unless you are trying to make it fail (like in these CS tests). Lock strength is good but just as important as strength is lock reliability and ease of use.

For reliability it would be far easier to injure yourself if the lock simply did not engage when you thought it had vs. it failing when you are trying to use your knife to lift an engine block (because if you try this and injure yourself we'd just call it natural selection). Finally we just had an example on this subforum that shows the importance of ease of use beyond just the practical reasons. If the lock is hard to operate there is a high potential for injury while manipulating the lock (pocket bushman...).

So while I'd bet the American lawman is a stronger knife than the paramilitary 2 the compression lock is stronger than any reasonable person needs and in my opinion much easier to operate. Both the tri-ad lock and the compression lock are very reliable since they are simple by design. In contrast I would argue that the axis lock is an example of a strong, easy to use but unreliable lock because of the temperamental omega springs, which I've personally had fail on me causing the lock to not engage.

Well said. Cold Steel clearly likely to emphasize lock strength and reliability since that's where they excel. Ease of use...not so much. Occasional lock stick and a strong spring make opening and closing more difficult than with other locks.
 
Ease of use is of course personal. I carry and use Tri-Ad equipped knives every day and find them very easy to use and manipulate one handed. But, I'm also well aware anything I may have to add could be seen as biased.
These tests are all about lock strength. Nothing more and nothing less.
 
Ease of use is of course personal. I carry and use Tri-Ad equipped knives every day and find them very easy to use and manipulate one handed. But, I'm also well aware anything I may have to add could be seen as biased.
These tests are all about lock strength. Nothing more and nothing less.

I honestly think Tri-Ad locks are easy to use and manipulate one handed as well and personally have no problem with it (it is by far one of my favorite locking mechanisms!). However regardless of our opinions, ease of use is a pretty common complaint heard for the tri-ad lock. Not really that it is complex or finicky, but that the spring is just too strong for people with weak or delicate hands which I don't say as an insult, it is a reality for elderly knife users who fish/hunt or some women and men (I won't discriminate!). The compression lock by comparison takes a negligible amount of pressure to operate.

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Also meant to add that I don't dislike cold steels testing, I definitely think it serves a purpose and is a cool comparison. I just was pointing out the fact that it is easy for people to get caught up on this one point alone while ignoring other important factors especially when it comes down to the purpose of a lock at making a knife operate predictably and safe to use.
 
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I think the whole point of lock strength is that you want a lock that is least likely to fail in the most unlikely of situations. It is just one less thing to worry about when one is under stress. After all, what is "tactical/emergency" if not the most abnormal of situations. The beauty of the Tri-Ad lock is that it achieve maximum performance for a minimal of material/cost/weight. I've got quite a few folders from makers other than CS but I've not has any issue of "ease-of-use" with any Tri-Ad CS folders, in fact Tri-Ad is much easier to use one-handed than the popular frame lock, but to each his/her own I guess...
 
Ease of use is of course personal. I carry and use Tri-Ad equipped knives every day and find them very easy to use and manipulate one handed. But, I'm also well aware anything I may have to add could be seen as biased.
These tests are all about lock strength. Nothing more and nothing less.

Couldn't say it better than that. I AM somewhat biased, but it has nothing to do with being employed by Cold Steel but, rather because of owning and using Cold Steel knives for 25+ years, without ever a problem of any kind, let alone opening the damn things. LOL
 
Sometimes I wonder if people posting negative comments on TriAd folders ever use them enough to get them properly broken in. After extended use I find mine to be smooth, solid, and easily deployed with one hand and a wrist flick if need be.
 
Please test...

-Spyderco Paramilitary 2
-Kershaw Blur or Knock-Out
-ZT 0550 or 560
-Benchmade Griptilian or 710
-Spyderco Military

I love the vids. Keep it up please. :)
 
Please test...

-Spyderco Paramilitary 2
-Kershaw Blur or Knock-Out
-ZT 0550 or 560
-Benchmade Griptilian or 710
-Spyderco Military
All of of them except possibly the Griptilian will lose in lock strength against equivalent Cold Steel folders.

The griptilian will probably fail from handle cracking.

Military and Paramilitary are probably best compromise of strength, lightweight, edge-holding, and slicing ability on that list.
 
Sometimes I wonder if people posting negative comments on TriAd folders ever use them enough to get them properly broken in. After extended use I find mine to be smooth, solid, and easily deployed with one hand and a wrist flick if need be.

If you're talking about in this thread my tri-ad locks are plenty broken in, but I also have no complaints about the tri-ad lock in my own use. The only thing I wanted to point out is that you do hear complaints about the tri-ad lock being difficult to operate and somewhat frequently. Even subjectively, if someone were to measure the amount of force it takes to operate even a well broken in tri-ad lock it would be multiple times the amount of force required to operate a compression or axis lock.

We can definitely sit back and say that the people who complain are weak/whiny/need to toughen up their thumbs, need to "break in" their locks etc. but we can't ignore the fact that cold steel's competitors have managed to make locks that don't receive similar complaints. One of the surest ways to hurt your business is to alienate a customer base when they have a complaint about your product and rather than say "what can we do to fix this?" we say "Our product is perfect and it is the customer that needs to change." Because guess what? The customers won't change or toughen up, they will go to a competitor who has solved this problem.

And as far as other locks being strong enough the compression lock for example is strong enough for any work or self defense scenario someone can imagine. Even for self defense which should be the most extreme example it doesn't take too much to have a strong enough lock. A perfect example of this is where someone thrust a delica hilt deep into the top of someone's skull (there is a cool x-ray of this floating around somewhere but I couldn't find it). The delica has the most shallow back lock I have seen on a knife and I can't think of a more difficult place to stab someone. It's not that I think the delica is the greatest knife or anything, it's more that it doesn't take the most extreme lock to keep the knife open even in outrageous scenarios.
 
Test request: Opinel N°12. Yeah, I'm serious. Of course, I could do it myself and not break the bank doing it. But CS has the flair and the setup ready to go,

Zieg
 
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