Locks that fail, safely

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Any folder can be made to stop working properly.

Some simply have locks that are stronger than the blade.

But an ingenious few have decided that it would be a good idea to make a locking mechanism that will not allow the blade to close if the lock fails.

I wonder if anybody has pictures of these? If so, I would like to see some "broken" locks that are designed to save fingers!

Thanks!
 
I do not know of any lock like that, personally. What I do know of is two companies that make quality knives designed so that the flat part behind the sharpened edge contacts fingers rather than the edge in the case of a failure. Spyderco makes several models, Paramilitary, Military, Delica, Endura, Caly3, Chaparral, to name a few. Cold Steel makes the American Lawman, Mini Recon 1, and Tuff Lite to name of few of theirs.
 
CHOILS :thumbup:
That is what I was thinking too. I've never seen a lock designed to fail safely. Possibly the Axis lock might be one. Bottom line is if the lock fails, that blade is more than likely going to close.
 
You wouldn't lose fingers if you don't use the wrong tool for the job. If you're questioning the integrity of the lock on a folder for a task then you should probably be using a fixed blade IMO. Save your fingers.
 
Do sliders count?
The Blackie Collins Rollox will fail safely. I have a couple of the Benchmark/Gerber originals which I don't use. They feel solid. I bought one of the CRKT versions, which are very light, to use. I was using it harshly one day, & a spring failed. The blade disapeared into the handle safely. It happened so fast, I was totally freaked out & had to inspect my fingers before I started calming down.

I think the spring that broke was a redesign from the original, & very weak.
 
An example of a framelock that failed as designed to when I believe the person that was using it was beating on it severely. Cant remember the details.

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Liner locks are actually supposed to fail in a similar fashion if designed correctly.

http://www.knife-expert.com/liners.txt


THE LINERLOCK -- RIGHT FROM THE SOURCE

Michael Walker's invention and development of the LinerlockTM

by Bernard Levine (c)1997 - for Knives Illustrated


The "Linerlock" knife is now so familiar that it is easy to

forget that both the knife and the name are relatively recent

inventions. Michael Walker made the first modern Linerlock in

1980, and he registered the name Linerlock as a trademark in

1989. Since the mid 1980s, dozens of hand knifemakers and factory

knife manufacturers have made locking liner type knives inspired

by Walker's designs, although very few of them fully understand

either the advantages or the limitations of this mechanism. The

best way to understand the Linerlock is to look back at how

Walker developed it.



THE EARLY DAYS

Mike Walker began to make knives early in 1980. One of his

first customers was a collector and dealer in Red River, New

Mexico, named Don Buchanan. Mike made ten fixed blade knives for

Buchanan. Don asked Mike for sheaths to go with these knives.

Mike made those leather scabbards reluctantly, then announced

that he hated making sheaths. So Don said, "Make folders."

Mike did. He made slip joints. He made lockbacks like the

factory folding hunters then on the market. He made mid-locks

with mechanisms copied from antique folders. But he was not

satisfied with any of these. Walker envisioned an improved folder

that would do away with what he saw as the many limitations of

conventional lockbacks.

First, he would design a knife that the user could open and

close safely and easily with one hand, without having to change

one's grip, or rotate the knife in one's hand.

Second, his new knife would do away with the sharp "back

square" of the conventional pocketknife blade. When a

conventional blade is closed, its back corner sticks out, and can

snag the user's clothing. In some folders the back square is

enclosed by extended bolsters, but this can compromise the shape

of the handle. Mike envisioned changing the basic geometry of the

folder, in order to eliminate the problem entirely.

Third, and most subtle, his knife would be self-adjusting

for wear. Other innovative folders of this period, notably the

Paul knife by Paul Poehlmann (patented 1976), were very strong

and very sleek, but they required careful adjustment of set

screws to keep their blades from working loose.



THE LOCKING LINER

Mike was familiar with the old locking liner design patented

by Watson & Chadwick in 1906 for Cattaraugus. Used first on

traditional folding hunters, this mechanism became standard on

electricians' pocketknives, and was also used on Cub Scout

knives. In this design, the liner projects above the handle, and

it is split lengthwise, alongside the pivot pin. The side of its

narrow tip engages the front edge of the tang when the locked

blade is open.

Mike noted that only a thin extension of the liner could be

used as the lock in the Watson & Chadwick design. This was

because most of the liner had to engage the pivot pin, in order

to hold the knife together against the tension of the backspring.

The result is that this type of lock is inherently weak.

Mike went back to first principles. He realized that if

spring tension and lock-up could be provided by a liner alone, he

would be able to dispense with the backspring entirely. With the

back spring gone, he could then have the end of the liner cut-out

engage the bottom end of the tang, making for a much stronger and

more positive lock. Indeed it would be nearly as strong as the

old Marble's Safety folder (patented in 1902), while dispensing

with that knife's long, awkward, and fragile fold-up extension

guard (the folded guard serves as that knife's lock when the

blade is opened).



STRONG AND SECURE

As it worked out, Mike had not anticipated just how strong

his new lock would be. About 1984 I helped to run side-by-side

destruction tests of all the types of locking folders available

at that time. Each test involved securing the handle of the knife

without blocking the movement of its blade or spring; then

sliding a one-foot pipe over the open blade (which was oriented

edge downward), to serve as a lever-arm; and finally hanging

weights from the free end of the pipe until the lock failed.

Name-brand conventional factory lockbacks failed at between

5 and 7 foot pounds (except for one that failed with just the

weight of the pipe). A Paul button-lock knife proved to be more

than twice as strong as the best of the conventional lockbacks.

But a Walker Linerlock was nearly four times as strong as the

lockbacks. What's more, when Walker's Locker did finally fail, it

failed in the open position. Instead of closing suddenly upon

failure, as all the other knives did, it seized up and became a

"fixed" blade.




SELF-ADJUSTMENT

This strength turned out to be a fringe benefit of Walker's

self-adjusting design. He based this design upon the simplest of

all mechanisms, the inclined plane, or wedge. The end of the tang

is slightly beveled. The end of the liner is not (although it can

be, as long as the angles do not match). Both parts must be hard.

When the blade is opened all the way, the liner passes the inner

edge of the tang, but it is stopped before it passes the outer

edge. The liner's leading edge bears on the beveled end of the

tang. If the pivot joint loosens over time, the point of

engagement of the lock-up moves further along the bevel, so it

continues to lock up tight.

In the destruction test, when we applied an extreme load to

the blade of Walker's Linerlock, the free end of the locking

liner moved all the way past the end of the tang, and wedged

itself between the blade and the fixed liner. Mike was later able

to disassemble and repair this test knife, and today it is

(almost) as good as new.

In his first Linerlocks (he was not calling them this yet),

Walker made the liners out of spring-tempered 440-C blade steel

(he did, and still does, his own heat treating). The lock-ups

were not yet the full width of the tang -- Michael changed this

after the destruction tests, to make his knives even stronger.

The thick 440-C liners of those early versions applied so

much spring pressure to the blades that no other mechanism was

required to retain the blades in the closed position. But when

Mike began to experiment with lighter gauge liners, he realized

that a separate element would be needed to perform this function,

which is performed by the backspring in conventional knives. In

1984 Mike began to incorporate a ball detent in the frames of his

Linerlocks, allowing the liner to be dedicated totally to lock-up

in the open position, while the ball detent held the folded blade

closed.



TITANIUM

These new lighter gauge liners were made out of titanium

alloy. Titanium has many features that make it especially

suitable for this application.

- Titanium has a high strength to weight ratio.

- Titanium has superb spring retention qualities, without the

necessity of any heat treatment. A titanium spring will recover

from a severe load that would permanently deform a steel spring

of the same cross-section.

- Titanium galls to other metals -- it seizes to them, rather than

slipping past them, when they are rubbed together under tension.

This makes titanium useless for moving parts, but ideal for parts

that are meant to seize, such as the end of a liner engaging the

end of the tang of a folding knife blade.

- Titanium can be electrolytically toned to a wide range of

attractive colors. Michael and Patricia Walker pioneered the

application of this technique to knives. In fact Patricia Walker

was the first artist to engrave and anodize titanium, both on her

husband's knives, and on her own jewelry and artwork.



ADVANTAGES AND LIMITATIONS

Walker's Linerlock mechanism is flexible and forgiving in

many ways. In the 1980s Mike would go to shows with a box full of

unfinished blades that he had ground freehand in all sorts of

shapes. Customers would pick out ones they liked, and Mike would

then make knives around these blades, without any need for the

precise patterns that burden the makers of conventional lockbacks

and slipjoints.

However, one aspect of the Linerlock is not forgiving at

all. This is the bevel at the end of the tang, on which the end

of the locking liner bears. If this angle is too acute, the liner

will slip and the lock will fail. If the angle is too obtuse, the

liner will stick, and the blade will be difficult or impossible

to close.

Mike emphasizes that there is no single correct angle for

this bevel, as some writers have mistakenly claimed. Rather it

must be determined for each knife. The optimal angle is a

function of the blade and liner materials, of the spring tension

of the liner, and most important of all of the overall length of

the knife. The free end of the liner moves in an arc of a circle,

and the length of the knife determines the radius of this circle.



LINERLOCKS TODAY

Mike Walker rarely makes Linerlocks any more. He has

licensed the name, and various aspects of the mechanism

(including the patented safety latches recently developed jointly

by Walker and Ron Lake), to a few other makers and manufacturers.

On his own current knives he uses some of the dozens of other

locking mechanisms that he has invented over the years.

Mike is flattered that so many makers and manufacturers use

his invention, though he is disappointed that most of them fail

to grasp all the subtleties of the Linerlock mechanism. Because

of this, most of their knives lack the strength and smoothness of

Walker's own.

And Mike is angry at certain pompous Johnny-come-lately

makers who attempt to claim credit for his inventions and his

designs. One shameless maker is today receiving royalties for a

design that Walker created two years before that particular maker

assembled his first knife. But Mike never patented his original

mechanism or his early designs, so this sort of copying is now

water over the dam.

However Walker's trademark rights are another story. Mike

lets his lawyers deal with any makers or manufacturers who have

the temerity to use his "Linerlock" trademark without his formal

written permission.

*** END ***

I remember when Cold Steel used Liner locks on a few of their folders a few years back and in the weight tests the liner lcok would fail as described above.

https://youtu.be/qqLRKFRJs7M?t=1713
 
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Two CRKT's come to mind. The M4 series and the Lake 111 series, both have lock-locks that prevent the lock from closing.
Rich
 
Marthinus, thank you. That was what I was looking for, although I didn't know it until you posted it!

I wanted to keep the original post brief, but I suppose some explanation is in order.

When I joined Bladeforums, I was obsessed with The Biggest, Strongest, Folder. I still am, but reading, interacting, and learning has taught me that a folding knife is a complex series of tradeoffs. Cutting performance generally requires a thinner blade, which in turn affects how hard you can push (or hit) that blade before something stops working the way you want it to.

The right tool for the job is always true, and I always have a small pry tool with me to save my knife tips.

The same learning process has led me believe that a folder can still be as good as possible, within a framework of limitations. You need to choose which qualities you want, and how much of something else you're willing to trade, compromise, or live with, to get what you want. In a way, folding knives could be a metaphor for all human endeavor.

But I'm not going to go there.

I'm trying to understand more about the design limitations of folders, and the relationships between strength, weight, lock design, cutting performance, and so on. Bladeforums is the best place to find information about those things, but I don't always know how to ask the right questions....

Thank you all, once again. I'll be back with another strange, open-ended question, once I think of one. :rolleyes:
 
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