Logically True or Not?

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afishhunter

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Allegedly a 3 7/8 ~ 4.00 inch closed stockman is generally classified as a "large".

My collection/accumulation of stockman consists of 4 5/8; 4 4/8; 4 3/8; 3 7/8; and 3 6/8 (a Sowbelly) inch examples.

False or Not:
Logically, in this situation, the 4 5/8 inch is a "large", the 4 4/8 is a "medium" the 4 3/8 is a "small" and the 3 7/8 inch is a "tiny".
(would the 3 6/8 inch Sowbelly be a "mini", "macro", or "micro"?)

The knives:
"Large" at 4 5/8 inch: Vintage 1978-1986 Old Timer 858 (no "OT" in tang stamp)
"Medium" at 4 4/8 inch: BTI offshore manufactured Old Timer 858OT and 858OTB
"Small" at 4 3/8 inch: Rough Ryder RR603; RR1740; RR1057
"Tiny" at 3 7/8 inch: Rough Ryder RR1419; BTI offshore manufactured Uncle Henry 885UH; Buck 301; and Buck 371, and a "few" others that are not with me at this time.
"Mini"/Macro"/"Micro" at 3 6/8 inch: Marbles MR431 D2 Sowbelly.
 
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I'm no expert, but perhaps relative to the particular lengths in your specific knife collection that is one way to categorize them. However, I always thought that a "large" stockman was roughly around 4 inches, a "medium" stockman was usually around 3.25 inches, and a small stockman was in the 2.5 -2.75 inch range. Dunno? Nice knives you got there though!!
 
Stockman is my favorite and universally-carried EDC pattern. So I've spent a lot of time (years & years) thinking about this.

My perception of stockman size categories is something like this:

'small' = 3-1/4" or smaller (examples: Case '44 @ 3-1/4" or Schrade 108 OT @ 2-3/4")
'medium' = 3-3/8" - 3-5/8"
'large' = 3-3/4" - 4-1/4"

My own favorites fall into the 'large' category as described above, as in my Case '75 pattern (4-1/4" closed), Buck's 301 pattern (3-7/8") or the Schrade 8 OT (3-7/8"). I'll have any one of those in my pocket each and every day. Currently I've been EDC'ing my Case 6375 CV in amber bone. I think it has become my favorite overall.

Anything bigger than 4-1/4" is in a category I'd call 'jumbo' or something like that. I seem to recall seeing that term utilized to describe stockman patterns like the Schrade 858 OT or the Case Classic 5340/6340 pattern (4-3/8" closed).

I don't think there's any real logic in how the industry classifies the size of stockman patterns (or jacks, for that matter). I think even Case at times has thrown in a measure of ambiguity in classifying some of their own 'small' ones as 'medium', or some of the 'large' as 'medium' at times. I seem to recall seeing the Case '47 pattern catalogued as either a 'medium' or 'large' in vendor descriptions at various times.
 
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Being that there are so many sizes, several of which are close to another, why bother to categorize them at all? Just identify each by its closed length.
 
afishhunter said:
Allegedly a 3 7/8 ~ 4.00 inch closed stockman is generally classified as a "large".

My collection/accumulation of stockman consists of 4 5/8; 4 4/8; 4 3/8; 3 7/8; and 3 6/8 (a Sowbelly) inch examples.

False or Not:
Logically, in this situation, the 4 5/8 inch is a "large", the 4 4/8 is a "medium" the 4 3/8 is a "small" and the 3 7/8 inch is a "tiny".
(would the 3 6/8 inch Sowbelly be a "mini", "macro", or "micro"?)

The knives:
"Large" at 4 5/8 inch: Vintage 1978-1986 Old Timer 858 (no "OT" in tang stamp)
"Medium" at 4 4/8 inch: BTI offshore manufactured Old Timer 858OT and 858OTB
"Small" at 4 3/8 inch: Rough Ryder RR603; RR1740; RR1057
"Tiny" at 3 7/8 inch: Rough Ryder RR1419; BTI offshore manufactured Uncle Henry 885UH; Buck 301; and Buck 371, and a "few" others that are not with me at this time.
"Mini"/Macro"/"Micro" at 3 6/8 inch: Marbles MR431 D2 Sowbelly.
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Well, by your definition, your large ones are bigger than "large", so would have to be classified as "jumbo", with a range of 4" to 4 5/8"... I also think your range for "large" is too narrow, perhaps.
 
Should there be community standards that facilitate communication, or should every man do what is right in his own eyes?
If the latter (which in the Biblical Book of Judges got the Israelites into horrible situations whenever they tried that selfish approach), then you're going to have to go at it hammer and tongs with my imaginary friend Tiny Tim, whose only examples of stockman patterns are a 3 1/4" Schrade 108 OT, a 2 3/4" Rough Rider RR244, and a 2 5/8" Case 6333. Tiny swears that his Old Timer is a large (possibly even "gigantic") stockman, and he seems to be using the same "logic" you do.

I'll let you guys settle it.

- GT
 
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Obsessed with Edges said:
Stockman is my favorite and universally-carried EDC pattern. So I've spent a lot of time (years & years) thinking about this.

My perception of stockman size categories is something like this:

'small' = 3-1/4" or smaller (examples: Case '44 @ 3-1/4" or Schrade 108 OT @ 2-3/4")
'medium' = 3-3/8" - 3-5/8"
'large' = 3-3/4" - 4-1/4"

My own favorites fall into the 'large' category as described above, as in my Case '75 pattern (4-1/4" closed), Buck's 301 pattern (3-7/8") or the Schrade 8 OT (3-7/8"). I'll have any one of those in my pocket each and every day. Currently I've been EDC'ing my Case 6375 CV in amber bone. I think it has become my favorite overall.

Anything bigger than 4-1/4" is in a category I'd call 'jumbo' or something like that. I seem to recall seeing that term utilized to describe stockman patterns like the Schrade 858 OT or the Case Classic 5340/6340 pattern (4-3/8" closed).

I don't think there's any real logic in how the industry classifies the size of stockman patterns (or jacks, for that matter). I think even Case at times has thrown in a measure of ambiguity in classifying some of their own 'small' ones as 'medium', or some of the 'large' as 'medium' at times. I seem to recall seeing the Case '47 pattern catalogued as either a 'medium' or 'large' in vendor descriptions at various times.
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I like your explanation .. makes sense.. I simply follow what the catalogs say. Stockman is my favorite slip joint pattern, though I only own a handful .
 
Interesting.
Im thinking along the lines of the 3 main umbrellas...Lge,Med and Sml.
They are either one or the other....anything more complicated seems unnecessary.
But who sets the perameters? There needs to be a standatd or else one mans jumbo is another mans mini...depending on marketing...I assume there is a body in the U.S. that sets standards .

A dusty thirsty Cowboy on a dusty thirsty horse rides up to the steps of the Kickatinalong Hotel in Queensland.
He walks through the door just as two Ladies are leaving. One notices his belt sheath containing his stockman knife .
She turns to her friend saying
" Is that what they call a large stockman?"
Quick as bullwhip he turns to her and says
"Put it this way Love...I've never 'ad any complaints.."
 
The stockman wiped the beery froth from his parched lips , looked at the ladies and said, " Darlin if I told you in inches you'd think I was talkin in centimetres..";)
 
meako said:
Interesting.
Im thinking along the lines of the 3 main umbrellas...Lge,Med and Sml.
They are either one or the other....anything more complicated seems unnecessary.
But who sets the perameters? There needs to be a standatd or else one mans jumbo is another mans mini...depending on marketing...I assume there is a body in the U.S. that sets standards .

A dusty thirsty Cowboy on a dusty thirsty horse rides up to the steps of the Kickatinalong Hotel in Queensland.
He walks through the door just as two Ladies are leaving. One notices his belt sheath containing his stockman knife .
She turns to her friend saying
" Is that what they call a large stockman?"
Quick as bullwhip he turns to her and says
"Put it this way Love...I've never 'ad any complaints.."
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In the context of YOUR stockman collection, I suppose those designations make sense, although I can't imagine a person calling a sowbelly a micro stockman. There are many stockmen patterns far smaller than the sowbelly ... Case alone makes 6 patterns that I can think of off the top of my head.
 
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