Cliff Stamp
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Awhile ago Louis posted up some of his impressive feats of long range throwing, including a video :
http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum66/HTML/000191.html
I have been meaning to do some work along these lines but have been distracted with other work. This weekend I finally got the chance to do some throwing with friends.
We started off throwing at a 2x12" with a CS Norse Hawk. Moderate distances and everything was going good. I brought out the ATC spike awhile later and everyone noticed the difference in construction, which unfortunately turned out to be a bit of a problem.
There was a bit of unease about winging a 'Hawk of that cost when sticking wasn't a certaintly. "What if it breaks?", was the question. It won't, I answered. "But what if it does?". So I go and get the Battle Mistress and stick it in a stump and say, if you throw the 'Hawk it at the target and it breaks you can have that.
People were more than a little eager to throw it now and I saw running throws that went all over the place, intentionally I think to see if it was used as a high impact pick would it come apart. No, it wouldn't, but one of the misplaced throws broke the leg on a picnic table. Don't get in the way of this 'Hawk in flight.
After things settled down we went back to trying to hit the target. The CS 'Hawk was abandoned in favor of the ATC. The first few hits brought out an immediate conclusion. A 2x12" is not strong enough for the ATC 'Hawk, it was tearing it apart. To get around this I slanted them at about 15 degrees and thus the cuts went cross grained.
With play time over I spent some time at 45 feet and was able without excess difficulty to hit the board and stick, a 2x8" would have been enough, a 2x6 would have been difficult. Moving out to 65 feet the 2x12" was necessary and in fact I had to put out another one as I was having to throw at near max force and I was losing control, need more practice there.
Moving out to 85 feet just looking at the target I realized it needed a mammoth throw. I tried a few standing still and could not reach the board. I resorted to a running throw but didn't have the control to hit the boards and often missed them by a foot or more.
I moved back into around 70-75 feet and with a step forward was able to do spike hits. Because of the strength of the throw the spike was sinking into full depth and mangling the board. Again because I was moving this was difficult to repeat. But possible.
Louis had mentioned to me that he was working on even lnoger throws. Based on the difficulty I had attempting 85 feet, I was shaking my head at 105 feet. I hope he catches that on video as well.
One thing I did note was that stance was very important, the problem I had with the running throws is that my body would not get aligned perpendicular to the target and thus the throws would go off skewed. Once I realized this I was able to get them under control more, but still need far more work.
The edge and spike took a bit of a pounding from all the hits into dirt. I cleaned them up with a file. I worked in sections, 6 passed per section, per side and then smoothed it one with a fine/x-fine dmt hone. About 75+% of the edge is shaving sharp.
No movement regarding the handle/head attachment.
-Cliff
[This message has been edited by Cliff Stamp (edited 06-26-2001).]
http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum66/HTML/000191.html
I have been meaning to do some work along these lines but have been distracted with other work. This weekend I finally got the chance to do some throwing with friends.
We started off throwing at a 2x12" with a CS Norse Hawk. Moderate distances and everything was going good. I brought out the ATC spike awhile later and everyone noticed the difference in construction, which unfortunately turned out to be a bit of a problem.
There was a bit of unease about winging a 'Hawk of that cost when sticking wasn't a certaintly. "What if it breaks?", was the question. It won't, I answered. "But what if it does?". So I go and get the Battle Mistress and stick it in a stump and say, if you throw the 'Hawk it at the target and it breaks you can have that.
People were more than a little eager to throw it now and I saw running throws that went all over the place, intentionally I think to see if it was used as a high impact pick would it come apart. No, it wouldn't, but one of the misplaced throws broke the leg on a picnic table. Don't get in the way of this 'Hawk in flight.
After things settled down we went back to trying to hit the target. The CS 'Hawk was abandoned in favor of the ATC. The first few hits brought out an immediate conclusion. A 2x12" is not strong enough for the ATC 'Hawk, it was tearing it apart. To get around this I slanted them at about 15 degrees and thus the cuts went cross grained.
With play time over I spent some time at 45 feet and was able without excess difficulty to hit the board and stick, a 2x8" would have been enough, a 2x6 would have been difficult. Moving out to 65 feet the 2x12" was necessary and in fact I had to put out another one as I was having to throw at near max force and I was losing control, need more practice there.
Moving out to 85 feet just looking at the target I realized it needed a mammoth throw. I tried a few standing still and could not reach the board. I resorted to a running throw but didn't have the control to hit the boards and often missed them by a foot or more.
I moved back into around 70-75 feet and with a step forward was able to do spike hits. Because of the strength of the throw the spike was sinking into full depth and mangling the board. Again because I was moving this was difficult to repeat. But possible.
Louis had mentioned to me that he was working on even lnoger throws. Based on the difficulty I had attempting 85 feet, I was shaking my head at 105 feet. I hope he catches that on video as well.
One thing I did note was that stance was very important, the problem I had with the running throws is that my body would not get aligned perpendicular to the target and thus the throws would go off skewed. Once I realized this I was able to get them under control more, but still need far more work.
The edge and spike took a bit of a pounding from all the hits into dirt. I cleaned them up with a file. I worked in sections, 6 passed per section, per side and then smoothed it one with a fine/x-fine dmt hone. About 75+% of the edge is shaving sharp.
No movement regarding the handle/head attachment.
-Cliff
[This message has been edited by Cliff Stamp (edited 06-26-2001).]
