Long swordlike Khukuri's

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I haven't handled a lot of real swords of different types and periods so I was wondering how the long HI Khukuri's (Kobra 25", 30", Sirupati 25", etc) would compare to various sabres, swords, etc as far as blade thickness, weight, combat ability etc. Also, are these longer Khukuri's based on actual historical Khukuri's or are they a recent invention (not counting falcata, kopis, etc)? I know that the Kobra is not meant to chop logs but is it comparable to other types of sabres and swords?
 
Those big Kobras are tougher than you might think. Actually the larger khuks I've handled are all plenty thick and tough. They are similar to swords in their abilities and are alot of fun. Have seen some big khuks other than those by HI. Guess they use big ones for Puja(beheading Buffaloes). Not sure I'm ready to do that one but who knows maybe someday. Anyway the big difference might be in the fact that khuks have a different curve to them than the typical sword. Most swords curve the other way. Might not use a 30" Kobra to chop down a tree but it certainly could.
 
I'll take a stab at an answer seeing as I have more than a few euro style swords (no sabres) and have had three of the long Khuks. The long Sirupati and Kobras are very tough chopping blades - IMHO modern renditions of the Falcata/Kopis. They're thick and heavy - real blade presence. Compared to a proper euro-style sword of similar weight the Khuks are "clumsy." Now that's not to say it's bad but the balance of the Khuk makes for a committed cut - they're hard to change direction. To learn a wee bit more about swords take a look over at http://swordforum.com/.
 
First of all, how much do you know about swords? If you could describe your general take on European medieval swords, rapiers and Japanese swords, we could better provide you with info.
 
Don't really have a lot of handling experience with any real swords or have any specific comparisons just a general idea of weight and blade thickness comparison. Guess I was just wondering if they could actually be classified as swords. It does bring up another question that I have been wondering though. No doubt the Khukuri has a great deal of chopping power, but it seems that in longer lengths it would be slower and more clumbsy than other curved swords. Most all swords/sabres are curved the opposite way. There must be some reason that most all cultures have gone this way in a sword. It seems that in a strike that a curved sword would allow follow through or would flow through the target, whereas a Khukuri shaped blade that did not go all the way through would catch and require someone to retract the blade and follow up much like chopping wood (yes I know that it would only take one strike like this to end a confrontation but just for the sake of arguement). Seems like I read somewhere too, that in the Civil War sabres were left dull so that they would not stick in the target (similiar result?). In shorter lengths it would seem that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, but in sword lengths?
 
Don't really have a lot of handling experience with any real swords or have any specific comparisons just a general idea of weight and blade thickness comparison.

You are a cautious man, lol :)

I was testing to see if you thought that European swords were heavy clunkers and Japanese swords could cut through oak trees in a single stroke.

Properly made swords, in general, are light, well balanced and made for a single purpose only - for combat against other humans. This goes for both European and Japanese swords. Unlike a knife, which can be used in combat and also for mundane tasks, a sword is a weapon and nothing else.

Guess I was just wondering if they could actually be classified as swords.

No, I would classify them as overly-large knives.

It does bring up another question that I have been wondering though. No doubt the Khukuri has a great deal of chopping power, but it seems that in longer lengths it would be slower and more clumbsy than other curved swords. Most all swords/sabres are curved the opposite way. There must be some reason that most all cultures have gone this way in a sword. It seems that in a strike that a curved sword would allow follow through or would flow through the target, whereas a Khukuri shaped blade that did not go all the way through would catch and require someone to retract the blade and follow up much like chopping wood (yes I know that it would only take one strike like this to end a confrontation but just for the sake of arguement). Seems like I read somewhere too, that in the Civil War sabres were left dull so that they would not stick in the target (similiar result?). In shorter lengths it would seem that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, but in sword lengths?

In sword lengths, a forward curving blade will almost always be slower and more clumsy than a blade which is not forward curving, assuming the weights and blade lengths are approx. equal. However, the big advantage is the one-hit kill.

My preference is for a lighter, more versatile sword like a 15th C. bastard sword, or a light katana, which can be used to cut and thrust. A Kora is cut only (actually, more like chop only) and would be relatively clumsy compared to my preferred choices. Basically, if you miss, you're dead. Even if you do hit, your dying opponent could still skewer you with his own blade.
 
Also, keep in mind that swords were also used on horseback. Picture this...you're swinging a Kora from horseback and it sticks in your opponent. What's going to happen first?

1. You wrench the blade out of your victim and gallop off to the next target.

2. The blade wrenches you out of your saddle, due to the momentum of a ton of horseflesh propelling you in the opposite direction, which would leave you flat on the ground, dazed, with broken bones, weapon-less and at the mercy of your victim's buddies.

Now picture this with a curved sabre - as you've said, the blade slides through the target, and the force which would have pulled you off your scabbard is deflected away. You are now free to move onto your next victim.
 
I think of a longer khuk as a long edged, more versatile axe instead of a sword as being more in line with how it might be applied martially. But that comes from a guy with a no training in any sword arts, so salt that notion prior to embracing it.
 
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