Long term digital pic storage: how do you do it?

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As my boys grow up I am taking a bunch of digital pics. I've taken around 2000 or so in the past 12 months. Things have changed since the days of the Kodak with the square flash cube and 24 pics on the cassette, eh?

I burn these suckers on CDs, and usually make 2 backup copies. I also upload them to Shutterfly (free) as a last ditch, all else fails backup. A few hard copies get printed, but its a small percentage of my overall stash.

Is there any better - i.e., safer or more reliable - means of long term storage? I have heard that CDs can degrade over time. Hard drives will eventually fail, and I don't know of any flash drives or similar storage devices with enough memory for what I am after.

I guess my best bet is just to make multiple CD backups. I can fit one's year's worth of photos on 4 CDs. What thinks you?

thanks
 
I also burn a bunch of info documents and pictures to CD's and put away in a safe place and then every couple years they are then put onto newer CD's. just takes an hour or so every 2 or 3 years. well worth it.

I also have an external 1 terabyte hard drive that I also store everything on and that is also replaced every 3 years or so regardless if it's working well or not. the important thing is to move them from one device to another every so many years. don't wait till that device isn't working or any good, do it before. it's well worth the $100 or so every 2 or 3 years.
 
Thats a good idea to transfer the data to a new storage media - CD or drive - every 3 years or so. I can just see that becoming pretty time consuming with the growing pile of disks that I have, but there really is no alternative.
 
A decent cd-r or dvd-r should last around 20-30 years, cheap ones are rated to last around 10. That's if you store them sensibly. :thumbup:

If it were me, I'd keep them on a hard drive and backup on a decent brand of cd-r/dvd-r like TDK every 15-20 years. I personally don't bother replacing my hard drive until it breaks - because I'm poor, but it's not really a huge deal because all my important doc's are in some other kind of storage (flash drives, cd's etc).
 
I guess my best bet is just to make multiple CD backups. I can fit one's year's worth of photos on 4 CDs.

In ten years, you will have 40 CDs. If you make three copies, that will mean 120. If it takes five minutes to burn each one, that's 10 hours of continuous work. So, switch to DVDs. They have about six the capacity... but they take ten times as long to burn. So, it's still a long task.

Optical media, CDs and DVDs, are the best long-term solution we have today. But, first of all, DO NOT use the CDRW rewritable disks for long-term storage; they are NOT long-term durable. CDs are generally better than DVDs for longevity. Properly-stored, writable CDs should last ten or fifteen years. I pulled some church records off of a eight-year-old CD just the other day with no problems at all.

Proper storage is a dark, cool, dry place.

The risk over time is delamination. A CD consists of a thin metal layer laminates to a plastic disk. If the metal layer delaminates at all, all is lost. So, do not label your long-term-storage disks. Certainly, do not put paper, self-adhesive labels on them; over time, the adhesive and paper can deteriorate and contribute to delamination of the disk. Ink is a chemical and who knows what effect it will have over time? So, do not label the disks; label the containers they go in. Do not store them in paper sleves which touch the disk. Over time, the sleve may stick to the disk and as you remove the disk, you could pull the disk apart. Use plastic boxes in which the disk sort of floats. The critical surface to protect is NOT the glossy plastic "bottom" of the disk; the data are not on that surface and, if that surface gets damaged it can be cleaned and polished and restored. The data are on the thin metal surface on the "top" of the disk; so this surface is the important one which nothing should contaminate or touch in long-term storage. The so-called "jewel boxes" are actually perfect for this as long as you do not put a paper inside the top. Instead, apply a self-adhesive label to the outside of the top o the box.

With the disks not labeled, adopt a strict procedure to only have ONE such disk on your desk at a time. In this way, you won't get them mixed up.

Buy high-quality, name-brand disks.

Your idea of making mulitple copies is perfect. Use two or three brands of blank disks so that of one brand does prove to have a long-term reliability issue, you won't loose everything.

Your copying schedule is a perfect idea. With digital media, you do not degrade from copy-to-copy. There have been experiments done on which a copy of a CD has been made, then a copy of the copy, then a copy of the second-generation copy, etc. out to a hundred generations. Then, the hundredth-generation copy has been bit-by-bit compared to the original and found to be 100% exactly the same. I think you can safely extend your copy interval to five if not ten years.

The software you use to burn the disks makes a difference. Also, invest in good, name-brand drives. Finally, even if the disks and drive are capable of super-fast burning, slow it down to 4x. Slowe is better.
 
Outstanding advice as always, Gollnick!
 
i was thinking over this very topic, i have around 6 years of digital images on a terrabyte HD and haven't backed up to DVD in some time...this thread prompted me and the tips from gollnick are invaluable for long term backups.
 
As my boys grow up I am taking a bunch of digital pics. I've taken around 2000 or so in the past 12 months. Things have changed since the days of the Kodak with the square flash cube and 24 pics on the cassette, eh?

I burn these suckers on CDs, and usually make 2 backup copies. I also upload them to Shutterfly (free) as a last ditch, all else fails backup. A few hard copies get printed, but its a small percentage of my overall stash.

Is there any better - i.e., safer or more reliable - means of long term storage? I have heard that CDs can degrade over time. Hard drives will eventually fail, and I don't know of any flash drives or similar storage devices with enough memory for what I am after.

I guess my best bet is just to make multiple CD backups. I can fit one's year's worth of photos on 4 CDs. What thinks you?

thanks

I'd use DVDs instead of CDs, they cost about the same per disk nowadays and one single layer DVD holds as much as around 6 CDs.
Additionally, a DVD is far more robust than a CD. Take a look at a CD - it's a single layer of of acrylic with a data layer glued or laminated to the top of the acrylic disk. You can easily scrape the data layer right off the top of the acrylic disk. And it's also not very hard to scratch the data layer on a CD.
On the other hand, a DVD is composed of a sandwich of acrylic disks, with the data layer in between them. That's much better protection for the data layer. A CD is flimsy by comparison.

You can also write on the top of a DVD with a sharpie. The acrylic top layer protects the data layer from the sharpie ink. That's not recommended with a CD because the ink can leech through the paper top protecting the data layer.
You don't have to keep all of your backups forever, so in 10 years you don't have to store every backup you've ever made. But you do want to have a few copies of each disk and you want to check to see if the data wrote to the disks correctly.

Rewritable DVD-RW disks can be used to back up new pictures on your hard drive that you haven't archived to DVD+R or -R yet, but as mentioned RW disks of any kind are not reliable and are not going to last very long. I've thrown out many, many rewritable disks that are used in my DVD recorder to record my tv shows when I'm not home to watch them. They work for a while, but they are not going to last very long and you never know when they will fail.

As far as name brands go, caveat emptor. Most of the name brands merely outsource to companies that make cheap, unreliable media. For example, Memorex doesn't make their own disks. They outsource them to a company called CMC and are very poor quality. The most sought after brand at the moment is Taiyo Yuden, but lots of luck finding them. Most people concur that Verbatim is pretty much the best quality blank DVD you can buy currently, though I would definitely avoid their "value line". Sony used to make great blank DVDs, but the last time I bought their blank DVDs more than half the spindle did not work.
 
All great information; thank you folks. I have an external hard drive attached to my desktop which continuously backs up all my files. If I was smart, I would have two more of them, and every once in a while back up to them as well. Then I would detach the two backup backups and store them in cool dark dust free place until the next time. As far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong) hard drives rarely die except from use. They have moving parts which wear out from use. Any thoughts on this?
 
If it were me I would go SDHC memory. A 16GB card can be had for 30ish dollars. No moving parts to break and no film to flake off. Flash memory is really very stable and takes up much less physical space than a cd.
 
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