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Mark Williams

Mark Williams

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We finished up all the work we needed to do with our trusty old backhoe. So we put an add in the local trade paper. A fella called up to ask if we would be needing any other equipment for a possible trade. I asked what he had and he had a New Holland skidsteer and several old tractors. He came and looked at our backhoe , then I went to see his stuff. We ended up shaking hands on the backhoe for the skidsteer and this 1950 farmall cub and several attachments. We're both happy with the trade. I think I'm more excited about the little tractor than the loader. It purrs like a kitten and runs super quiet.

Havent gotten the skidsteer over here yet but hopefully will in a day or two.

Next year Deb will have one heck of a garden :)

Mark
 

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Those are neat tractors. We've had one in the family for three generations very much like it. Still use it too for cutting the grass and using the brush hog! My wife's grandfather used to work for IHC and sold them for a living. Its also how I got the old 55 International flat bed truck I restored that is in my avatar. It was her grandfather's work truck that he used to deliver the tractors he sold. It actually belonged to the company he worked for. He liked it so much that he never accepted a new one like all the other salesman did every two years because he thought after 55 they were all ugly so in 1972 when he retired from the company they signed the truck over to him as a retirement gift.

You ever run into situations needing some help getting parts for it I might have some places I can run down through her dad or one of the other family members. If yours is like ours though it won't need much. They just work.

STR
 
It is cool little piece of equipment. It keep flooding out on me yesterday so I took the carburator off. I guess from it's ride over to our house on a trailer caused all the trash in the gas tank to get shaken loose. It had some very small pieces of rust under the needle valve letting in too much gas. Other than that it looks like it will probably last till there is no more gasoline :)

I;m trying to track down some of the parts that would go on the back for implement hook-ups. I guess it's called a drawbar. I see that they also came out with a version of a three point hitch for it later.

Cant wait to get it back together to go Sunday driving :D
 
Cool find Mark

I know a place that collects Farmalls he has like 35 or so of them.. adding all the time..
I use to work on some of those old buggies but mostly the cubs.. looks like good rubber on the back too..

if you aren't aware , be careful with out a roll bar on it or long draw bar made for that.., if you hang up on something you can flip that front end up, over and on top of you very fast..

A friends dad got killed that way snubbing up an implement on a stump years ago, it pined him down while gas leaked from the tank soaking him then it caught him on fire all the while his wife watched and could not help him, that will put a BIG kink in your day..

does it still have the 6 volt sty? or has it been updated to 12 volt ?
 
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Three of my neighbors have old Farmalls just like yours and use them for mowing along their lanes and right of ways. One said his father farmed 40 acres with one many years ago...
 
Mark is that a C, or Super C or is it one of the smaller A or super A models? I can't tell. We have an H.

I don't know what you'd need a three point hitch for. To me they just got in the way and when we wanted to use the cultivator it just seemed more to be in the way with all the chains and stuff making it hard for my father in law to even climb up on the thing.

We use the draw bar and a bush hog. Its all you need to manage your property.

I'll tell you how ours is. I bring this up for the flooding issue you mentioned. With the one we have for you have to use a 'recipe' to get it running. By that I mean you follow a specific set of steps and if you do that it runs without flooding. I don't know why. No one could figure it out and we gave up trying to ourselves. Fact is we found a way to work around it. If yours is like ours it has a setiment bulb (a glass jar that fills with gasoline) and you have a cock you can turn on and off on it. Ok well open that and fill the jar, then we turn the cock back off. Start the tractor, it will run for maybe three minutes on just whats in there in the jar and the carb after this. Let it run a few and then hop down and slowly turn the valve back to open and for some reason it runs after that without flooding. Just open that cock fill the bowl and start it and it floods everytime. We don't know why as I said.

Try that if nothing else works. They are sometimes picky but once you get it worked out and get to know the personality you never want anything else.

We'll keep an eye out. You can have a draw bar made for it somewhere. We used to know a guy in Dover Tenn. where my wife's folks are from that knew or stocked some harder to find stuff. I know we have an extra drive shaft for the bush hog someone ran off with way back when it was stolen off the property. Not sure what else, I'd have to look.

STR
 
Well I got the flooding issue fixed but seem to have created another one in the process. Now it seems to be starving for gas. I may need to take the carb back off and see if the screen is full of trash again.

The float valve had bits of trash on the tip letting in too much gas. Runs great while it runs for about three seconds then shuts off.

Thanks for the advice STR. I'll see about getting a drawbar or just making one myself.

Makes me want to sing "Green Acres" every time I look at the thing.

Make
 
Mark Williams said:
Well I got the flooding issue fixed but seem to have created another one in the process. Now it seems to be starving for gas. I may need to take the carb back off and see if the screen is full of trash again.

The float valve had bits of trash on the tip letting in too much gas. Runs great while it runs for about three seconds then shuts off.

Thanks for the advice STR. I'll see about getting a drawbar or just making one myself.

Makes me want to sing "Green Acres" every time I look at the thing.

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if the carb bowl was full it should have ran much longer then 3 sec's
while in there I'd make sure the float isn't set to low also.
 
Dan Gray said:
if the carb bowl was full it should have ran much longer then 3 sec's
while in there I'd make sure the float isn't set to low also.
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That would make sense Dan.

I'll check the float. Could be in upside down, I do believe it can go in on either side. Or, just the thing has a very tempermental adjustment of the air mixture screw. Had to go and mess with that thing.:rolleyes: like a dumbass.
 
Mark
normally what makes the air screw temperamental but not limited to this, is people bottoming them out tooooo hard in it's seat and also wear on them, if you remove it, see if it's taper is worn.
a good place to start with a good screw is 1 turn out from bottomed out.
if it's visibly worn I'd start with 1/2 turn out.. and make very sure you do not have any air leaks from where you've taken the carburetor off in the first place..

most floats are level in the closed position, think of the gas pushing up on it rather than pushing on the needle end because of play in the holes if you know what I'm meaning..
 
Mark When ya wanna show off and look pretty , ya drive a a Green one.
When there is work to be done, it's REd all the way!!
 
When I was restoring my Indian I found that the float was water log. I had a pin hole in it. So I boiled it up , drained it and re-soldered it.
 
Float can only go on one way, so no joy. Still runs for just a second and shuts off.

Not sure if the adjustment screw is worn or not, I'll try starting it at one turn after the battery gets charged again.
 
Mark have you made sure, you have a good flow to the carburetor ? that will help isolate the problem. assuming you do not have an air leak
you could try back flushing the fuel lines with air being careful of spilled fuel. should be drained..the carburetor could also be plugged up if it's sat for a long time with out being ran, like a few years with fuel left in it., the solids in gas will solidify in time gumming things up.. it would smell like a varnish if this happened...
also
some tanks have a screen on the end of the fitting that screws into the tank,, I'm not sure about this one but you can check to make sure ..

it should keep running if you feather the choke just right if it's the carburetor plugged up some where other wise the bowl should be full.

one thing for the life of me is, I can't remember if you have a fuel pump or if it's gravity feed? if the latter I'd flush that system out, if with a fuel pump, check if it's pumping ample fuel to the carburetor..


IG has a good point to remember if it were to be flooding, you just take the float and shake it to see if it has a leak.. then do some mending.
 
Dan

I have taken the carb off and cleaned it out. It was flooding but is not now. It does have good fuel flow to the carb and the float is in good shape.

Runs still for 2-3 seconds and sounds great and just dies. :(
 
Mark Williams said:
Dan


...I have taken the carb off and cleaned it out. It was flooding but is not now. It does have good fuel flow to the carb and the float is in good shape.

Runs still for 2-3 seconds and sounds great and just dies. :(
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this would be a lot easier to do than explain.. :)

Mark if it runs no longer that 2-3 sec's .. which is a very short time, it could be running off what you choked it with or what it may have been flooded on previously..

will it start right back up? or do you have to let it set for a while?
you mentioned it was flooded before ..
could it be, it's flooding and then dieing?

also when you take the carburetor off did you see if the bowl is to it's level or if it's mostly dry or low ? the float and needle is only there to maintain the fuel level and the level of the gas should always be the same to where you set it to by the float.. the rest is controlled by the air flow and it's control
with that said
looking at your first post again, you said it ran great before you took it home
did you hear it run for a good amount of time? or just a few sec's? as now?


one other thing, directly after it dies make sure it's not loosing it fire. we don't want to be barking up the wrong tree.

FYI
carb 101
. inside the venturie < spelling, the carburetors throat you have little holes also and those are what dawns the fuel from the Carburetor bowl by the vacuum it creates they need to be clear also. you should see one big one in the center ( the main jet) that is a tube of a sort that leads to the bottom of the bowl by some means in the fuel circuit and you'll have some holes right at the lip of the throttle plate at the idle position the plate position controls what passes there along with that air needle..

use some tag wire to clean them out.
 
Now it's flooding again after taking the carb of and checking it.

I drove the thing up and down the road before I got it.

I'm about to shoot it with my .45. :)
 
Mark Williams said:
Now it's flooding again after taking the carb of and checking it.

I drove the thing up and down the road before I got it.

I'm about to shoot it with my .45. :)
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OK that makes it easier , you know it's flooding..

first mark while the carburetor is on the tractor, remove the fuel line to it
and pressurize the inlet to about 6 pounds and see if it holds if it does not hold, the float needle is not seating for some reason..
or no fuel a holding the float up to do so , problems

1 float (in let) needle as worn , here you have to wonder why it ran when you tried it out..
2 trash still in there, from the trip could be still?
3 float is not set right , big possibility

Mark when you tried this buggy out did you watch just how the guy started it?
some times on these old timers the needle leaks just enough to cause a problem while not running IE: slowly flooding the engine out sitting but will run ok once you get it running..

farmers fix..
shut the fuel off while not running it, this stops any possible flooding while setting..
when you want to start the old jewel start it before you open the fuel, if the carburetor is full as it should be, it should run long enough to open the fuel cock back on.. this is providing the float has let enough into the carburetor to start with..

if it's flooded right now shut your fuel off and let it set until tomorrow. charge your battery, you'll feel like your doing at least something mean while :)
tomorrow do not turn the fuel on, try starting it with out the choke.. if it starts whoopee now get the fuel turned back on before the bowl runs out..
if it doesn't start, with out the choke now try the choke and see if it will start.. if it does, then turn the fuel on like the latter.

the premise here is you are assuming the carburetor is full but you do not know if it's needle is leaking, this makes sure it won't flood anymore than it may be now.. starting it tomorrow it will still have some fuel in the engine but making sure you will burn it off before you get more in there.. hence pulling more hair out..

with this it almost always better to make sure you have less fuel to start with adding more as you go, the time cleaning out a flooded engine is more time consuming than the alternative , I'll bet you'd agree ,,
you can try my 45/410 out on it if you'd like
 
It LIVES !!

Gotter going !!

I cleaned all the electrical connections and it will now run. It shut off , but it was that I had the fuel turned off. Fired right back up. One side of the distributer was not seated all the way also. So Now I have no idea what fixed it :D

I'll get out and try it again later today to see if it will start again.

Thanks for all the help Dan!!!
 
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