Looking down that long road...

[Colin Jason]

I find myself in a position I'm sure a few of you have been in before; Randall cataloge in hand, model and options picked out, and many dreams floating around in your head.

Then, the scariest of all things can be read on the rear of the current cataloge: Present Shipping Date: June, 2006.

wow.

I've always wanted a Randall knife (A 7-1/2" Model 18) for as long as I can remember. It stands as though the 'Holy Grail' of custom knives for many collectors and users alike. The total cost of membership; a $20 deposit, and a lot of patience.

wow.

I see the Model 18 show up now and again on Ebay, usually marked up at the lowest, $100 over cost, and at the highest, $400. But, if you want it, and want it now, the prices are justified IMO. I've thought over going after auctions like that...even had the credit-card in hand...and then I think to myself; 'Could I Wait? '

So, here I am, order sheet in hand, cataloge sitting on the desk...contemplating that same question.

Here's my question for all of you owners out there, who have gone the distance, and made that commitment: How did you do it? 3 years is a long time to wait for something. So much can happen in that time. For myself, in the last 3 years, I've gotten divorced, remarried, moved to another country, and become a permanent resident there. Hell, that's only in the last 2 years!

I guess my main concern about embarking on this mission, is whether or not I'll be there when it's all said and done. If I move, die, or am kidnapped by aliens, what ever will become of my knife? I know, all a bit silly...but silly things happen in your mind, when you contemplate making a 3-year commitment like that. My first wife didn't even get that!

Share with me some of your thoughts, opinions, and advice on this. I'd love to hear about some of the trials and tribulations you've all gone through in pursuit of a 'Randall made Knife'.

 

[kaitak]

Andrew
Well I ordered my first/last RMK from the factory in July 2000, although I bought one from a dealer earlier. I got that knife a month ago. In the interim I have joined the Randall Knife Society, registered on Ebay, Bladeforums, KnifeForums, Knife Auction Network and I am sure I have forgot some other knife information outlet.
I have phoned, emailed and wrote to many people. Asked good, stupid and normal questions. No one has ever been rude to me and I must say I have been treated 1st class by all. There is a world of knowledgeable people out there and they all seem willing to share.
Look at dealers websites and call them. Their delivery dates are alot sooner than the factory and prices are the same or close to it.
I have more than 20 RMK and 6 or more on order. I have bought RMK on EBay, privately and through dealers web pages. Just get involved and you will soon realize that there is a great fraternity (sorry ladies) out there willing to help. I have a second RMK Model 18 ordered from a dealer that won't be deliverd until July 2004. My advice to you, if you want a 18, buy it now. It won't go down in price and you can use it right away.
For those of you that have helped me, I am very grateful.

Rod Brown
Hong Kong

 

[Colin Jason]

Thanks for the reply kaitak.

So, in your opinion, would it be better to see if I can locate one via a dealer/auctions/private sale first, before I go the route of ordering directly, or, should I go ahead and place the order with the factory, and in the interim, see if I can find one to purchase via the above methods?

I'm impatient at times, ok most all the time, but this is a pretty high-ticket item for me, and would involve some saving time (money-wise). Let me know your thoughts.

 

[jimsbowies]

You should join the Randall Knife Society....get to know folks like Rhett Stidham, Greg Gutcher, Rick Ward, Rick Bowles, etc. They can point you down that "long road" with expertise and are most willing to help us "old time" members as well. I suggest that you order one and then contact some of the authorized Randall dealers...they'll help you find what you're looking for and not have to pay hundreds over catalog price. Just my 2 cents worth..

 

[bruce]

This suggestion either helps pass the time, or makes it seem interminable.

Each month, send $10 to RMK on account. By the time your knife is ready it will be paid for (no sweat sending $10 rather than sending $300 in three years!). It's kind of like haveing a mortgage on your knife.

Bruce Woodbury

PS. Buy some other knives in the meantime, it helps to take your mind off the wait.

 

[Colin Jason]

Thanks for the further suggestions guys. Any opinions and insight you can offer will go a long way.

Your suggestion about sending $10/month towards the account for the knife is a good idea, Bruce. That actually makes pretty good sense when you think about something like this in the long-term. I'll definitely take that under consideration.

I've actually found a couple of decent deals on some brand-new Model 18's online, and the temptation is definitely there. So, I may just go ahead, make the order, and maintain it, and in the meantime, see about picking one up from a dealer/private seller/auction.

Keep the stories coming though...I need something to keep me occupied during that wait.

 

[kaitak]

Andrew
Ref you quote:
"I've actually found a couple of decent deals on some brand-new Model 18's online, and the temptation is definitely there. So, I may just go ahead, make the order, and maintain it, and in the meantime, see about picking one up from a dealer/private
seller/auction."
I would, money premitting, buy a Model 18 now plus save the $10 per month. Down the road, you can always change your mind a few months before delivery, as to which model of RMK you want.
Before ordering from the factory check with some the Dealers. The last time I checked, Nordic Knives and Greg Gutcher had 2004 delivery dates.

My two cents worth
Rod

 

[Colin Jason]

I just watched a new, carbon steel, Model 18 go for $413.00 on ebay. Not a bad price, all considered. There is another one there, but it's got a stainless steel blade, and I'm not really keen on that. I guess I just have a preference for the carbon.

Anyway, could any of you provide me with some names of good Randall Knife dealers in the U.S. that I could possibly call and talk to? I'm in Missouri, so anything nearby would be even better. I'm still not right at that 'purchase' point right now, but I want to be armed to the teeth with information before making a decision.

I know it's not a new car or anything, but to me, it feels just as important!

Thanks again for all of your help, encouragement, and advice. I truly appreciate it!

p.s. thanks for the information again, kaitak, I've got the names you've mentioned jotted down.

 

[kaitak]

Andrew
Dealers in no particular order:

Rick Bowles, Virginia 757 306 8658

Rick Ward, Georgia 770 962 3927
Web page www.Ricksknives.com

The Gadget Co., Oklahoma 918 749 9963

Greg Gutcher, Sullivan Holster Shop, Florida
812 236 8791 They make the sheaths for RMK

Nordic Knives, California 800 992 6574
Web page www.nordicknives.com

Sportman's Services of Florida, Florida
407 436 1113

Tom Clinton, Illinois 815 633 1444 I am not positive about Tom's phone number

By the way I got most of these address's out of the Randall Knife Society newletter.
web site www.randallknifesociety.com
The newsletter is published 4 times?? a year and there is a great amount of information and contacts plus knives for sale in each issue. At $20 USD per year, it is worth it X 100, in my opinion.

Rod

 

[K Williams]

I ordered a #14 O-1 probably over 4 years ago. I got mine in less than a year. The only custom feature on mine is a false top edge. That might have had something to do with the short wait. I'm considerind a #1-8" in O-1 now. I have the feeling that hte wait will be longer now.

 

[Melvin-Purvis]

kaitak, aka 'Rod Brown' has it pretty much 'spot on' with his advice and recommendations.

My wife and I collect RMK's as well, and in addition to what Rod mentioned, we do a little something different. We decide on our next purchase, what we're willing to pay for it, set that money aside, and then 'pounce' when we find our knife...at our price.

Sometimes it takes a year, sometimes only a month...

As an example, you mentioned a O1 7.5" #18 going for $413 on ebay, as "not a bad price"...but, if your were patient, you'd find the same knife for $100 less...Tom Mayo took one in trade at the BAKCA show in September, and sold it for $325, in SS, with a black 'C' model sheath...I held the knife, it was mint!

There are very few RMK's that just 'have to be bought right now'...be patient, have your money handy, go to knife and/or gun shows, know what you want, and buy at your price...

That would be my advice, that is, if I was giving advice...

Sheldon Wickersham, aka 'Melvin-Purvis'

p.s. 20 RMK's now Rod? Ya rat, you're catching up fast...lol

 

[Melvin-Purvis]

When you purchase a RMK from a friend, a purveyor, a dealer, or directly from the shop...especially if it's a custom order, or something special...it means so much more to you in the long run!

The knives we inherited, or those that came to us at knife shows, or from our friends and fellow RMK enthusiast's, including dealers like Greg Gutcher, Rick Ward, Tom Clinton, and Rick Bowles...are so much more special to us than those we bought on ebay...that much is true.

The knives are all cool as hell, but that 'one on one', or finding that knife you were specifically looking for, man...that is so much more fun.

You don't have to pay a 'funky' mark-up to have fun, in fact...paying high dollars won't help you enjoy the collecting experience much at all...lol

Keep it real, and have fun on your hunt..it's much more rewarding IMNSHO

Mel

 

[Colin Jason]

First off, thanks again kaitak for all the helpful information and links. I'm sure they'll come in handy.

Mel, your story, and recommendations are exactly what I'm looking for. People who have sought out and purchased these knives, and have pretty good experience with the whole arena. Your advice and thoughts give me a new perspective to explore as well.

I think I tend to follow what you have suggested, pretty closely in my buying habits when it comes to knives. I may be somewhat of an impulse shopper in other areas, but when it comes to knives, I like to take my time, explore my options, formulate various plans, and then strike when the opportunity presents itself. I've actually made a couple of really good deals that way recently, and have managed to add a couple of knives to my collection for a fraction of what their 'new' prices were, and that have been off the market for some time. I know exactly what you mean when you talk about the 'fun' factor.

I've done some heavy research through these forums in the last while, relating to a knife I've had in my collection (and used) for many years now, a Robert Parrish Survivor survival knife, and have found out some very interesting things about it. People may give hollow-handled survival knifes the brush off, but for me, I truly enjoy using the best of this breed. They're a unique field to collect in. Not many do. Yes, I've expanded my tastes to include camp and utility-type blades, but I guess overall, my personal taste leans towards knives with 8-10" blades. Something that can be used for a variety of needs, and yet, is still a work of art.

As you mentioned, I totally agree with your advice to have the cash ready, and be on the prowl for what I'm after. I plan on doing just that. Although, I'm also considering placing the order with Randall, just to see what becomes of it. I don't think there's anything really wrong with having more than one Randall knife, is there? If nothing else, it sure leaves you with some great stories.

So, my question to you, Mel, is this; what is the best way you think I'll get one of these knives? I've been trying to get to knife shows in my area, but always miss them because of my crappy memory, or heavy work schdule, so sometimes I just know I could be missing out on those opportunities. Would joining the Randall Knife Society be another good option? As well, do many deals take place here on these forums? All questions that would be nice to have an answer to, if you know of any.

I won't be rushing into anything, as far as purchasing my first Randall is concerned. I'll be taking my time, looking for the best deal I can possibly get, and I'll know it when the time is right. I thank all of you for your advice and insights, they're more valuable than many people can imagine.

Now, just for the record, that particular knife I'm looking for, is a standard Model #18 Atttack Survival, with the carbon steel blade, and smooth handle. If I found one with the compass, and the knurled handle, great, but it's not that important. My main requirement is that it have the carbon blade...not stainless. As for the sheath, color isn't important, as long as it's new, or mint.

On with the search!

 

[K Williams]

I just thought of something...What does Randall do if two years after you placed an order you move to a different address? Do you just notify them that you've moved and that's it? Or, is it more complicated than that? Thanks in advance.

 

[kaitak]

Andrew
I think you and "Melvin" have the right idea, set the money aside and pounce when the opportunity is right.

This a bit eerie: Made a list of the RMK I needed/wanted yesterday. Last night I looked at Nordic Knives web page and "voila" there was a Sportman's Bowie, which was on my list. Bought it.
More than half the fun is looking, reading, asking questions and learning.

If you need some info there is usually someone on these pages that will help or point you in right way.

Good luck
Rod

 

[TAH]

Andrew,

But it now and enjoy it for an additional 3 years of your life. Anyone willing to pay $300 for a knife will certainly pay $400. Look at it this way, the extra $100 you'll pay is only $2.77 per month for 3 years. Now stop reading this post and go buy your Model 18...go on...scoot!

 

[Colin Jason]

I'm thoroughly enjoying all of your comments, suggestions, and stories guys, keep them coming. It's really an inspiration to be able to share your passion with others who share it.

I'm currently searching for a Model 18 to buy, and have found some pretty good leads. Of course, I'm checking into them, and if the opportunity presents itself, I'll be adding it to my stable in short order.

I've seen a few available online, for a variety of prices. But, as mentioned by another member above, I'm taking my time, and 'pouncing' on the right one when it presents itself. I have my wish list for it, and know what features I want. So, all it comes down to now, is finding it.

Rest assured, I'll be letting all of you know when I finally receive my prize, and keep you abreast of developments as I travel down this road. I'm still considering placing my order with Randall, and I'll let you know if and when I make that commitment as well. If nothing else, I'm sure this would make a good story for the society, no?

Again, my thanks to all who have supported me with information and stories. I hope you'll continue to do so here, and help to spark the desire in the eyes of future Randall collectors everyday.

Cheers!

 

[CarlHK]

According to his business card, Tom Clinton's phone number is 815-885-3396. At least that is what my Motorola Star Tac II's memory says.......

 

[sepcat]

Andrew.

The long road…

Well in the fall of 2000 I ordered my Randall and it was scheduled to ship on this Boxing Day. Well Christmas came early this year as I received it two days ago. What a blast, a Christmas miracle. The knife is much nicer than I expected and I am impressed with its quality and workmanship, playing with it is my new time consuming hobby. This new family heirloom is well worth the wait and money even if I only get paid with Canadian Beaver Bucks.

I too did my Randall research, reading everything and asking a million questions. At the time I decided to make the 48 month order and save up for it along the way. But as you mentioned life gets in the way and in my case the knife savings was blown on another urgent priority that popped up a few weeks ago and such is life… Don’t matter though ‘cause I own a model 5, 6” 01 tool steel, double hilt, brass everything, brass and black spacers, border patrol leather handle and a wrist thong. As you can see I went to town on the options but what the hell, this is a major purchase and I felt that I should get exactly what I wanted. Its not like I’m buying a second hand Ford F-150 and I am forgoing certain options because it has a good price. Randall’s are unique rare purchases. But that’s just me.

This is my first Randall and it will be a well cared for user. I look forward to next fall’s hunt, I hope to be cleaning deer, elk etc.. Patina here we come.

To buy form the shop or a dealer? Now that’s a great question. I definitely will be getting more Randalls some day and I think I will buy from a good dealer that offers the best price and delivery. For me, I think the extra cost will be worth the extra 3 years of ownership and/or use. And what will I be ordering you ask? My next purchases will be a model 25, 6” 01 tool steel with all brass, a model 1, 7” 01 tool steel, with a leather handle and all brass with brass and black spacers and maybe the identical model 1 with a stag handle. If it can’t age then I don’t want it. (dive knife excluded) Did I mention I wasn’t a collector? Let somebody else miss out on life.

Cheers.

 

[CRfan]

My Randall was due to ship in January 2000, and it arrived December 1999. I thought it was pretty cool that RMK got the knife to me before Xmas because it made one really nice present.