Looking for 2.5 inch pikal

njr

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Any suggestions for a small, 2.5 inch fixed or folding pikal blade that doesn't have that ninja aura? Preferably one that could be flipped over and held in a normal edc grip for edc tasks?

I'm looking for a knife that can fit comfortably in my front jeans pocket.

Thanks.
 
Check out Ban Tang, he has a subforum here (link in my signature). He makes excellent pikals. He makes a double edge pikal that could suit your purposes, but a little while ago I was looking for exactly what you wanted (but 3" limit) and had him make me a shortened version of his mini-Bowie with the back swedge sharpened so I could use it in pikal if I needed to. I specifically asked him for a 3" blade to be completely safe with the municipal codes in my area, and he did an excellent job giving me what I wanted. So I now have a perfect edc knife with a normal grip that could be used in pikal :thumbup:

Examples of his normal and double edge pikals:

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My 3" Mini-Bowie. 1/8" S35VN with Ban's heat treat, convex main grind into zero edge, feels like a flat or very thin convex swedge grind, black canvas micarta. He measured 60rc.

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Definitely give his work a look, and feel free to contact him with any questions. He's very responsive and always willing to work with a customer. Good luck! :)


ETA: One more note. My mini-bowie fits in my pockets with ease (jeans or cargos). I normally carry it in my right back pocket, with the sheath attached to a belt loop via paracord lanyard and biner. But I've carried it in my right front pocket a number of times without a problem. Slim and unobtrusive.
 
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Thanks for the extensive reply, HM. Sorry I didn't reply sooner, I was at work, running errands after work and just sat down.

I'll take a look at Ban Tang, thanks. However, I think I'd prefer something that says less "weapon". Right now I'm thinking of having Tom Krein cut down the Spyderco Pikal for me, I know, it's mutilation but it's set up for pikal and I think it would look better than a cut down reengineered delica. The Pikal looks like it will cost me $185+. The Delica would be $125+

My other thought was a fixed blade pikal, really small for front pocket jeans but Tom charges upwards of $200 to $300 iirc. Then, theres the problem of the kydex/lanyard/belt loop set up and I'm afraid that would look out of place where I live. 15th century Japan okay, but.....

Anyway, thanks for the reply, I'll check out Ban Tang.
 
No problem njr :thumbup:

Let me preface the following with a disclaimer. I have no significant martial arts or knife combat training or experience. These are my opinions based on personal experimentation and observed techniques which I find sensible and practical. So as is often the case with discussing these things over the net, take my words with a grain of salt :)

I look at my knife as more tool than weapon, and in my opinion, it reflects that. With a casual glance, it looks more like a "normal" knife than something like the Spyderco P'kal, which, again, in my opinion, invites closer inspection with its unconventional appearance. The overall image of my BT knife is more easily identified with, say, a paring knife. One doesn't even know the swedge is sharpened until one examines it closely or feels the edge. Don't get me wrong, I think the P'kal is a great knife, and seems to be a fantastic option for those who want a folder which is purposely designed for pikal or who live in an area where carrying a fixed blade P'kal would be problematic. I'd love to pick up one myself one day. And I think a cut down version wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

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On a side note, I have handled one, and if you haven't, be forewarned that it'll take a bit of practice to draw and roll the handle into a secure grip quickly, let alone under pressure. Deploying a fixed blade instead of a folder eliminates one more fine/complex motor skill-dependent step to deal with under stress. If positioned correctly, I can draw and grip my fixed blade more quickly and securely than I can with a folder. While the P'kal may approach the fixed blade in the speed of draw vs. something like a Miliary, Paramilitary, Delica, or Mini-grip (folders I've EDC'ed and practiced deploying in the past), it still suffers from the need to reposition the knife slightly from the draw grip into a secure grip. More risk of fumbling under stress... and perhaps a sliver of time which could make a difference. I also found the P'kal awkward to handle in grips I'd typically use in normal utility cutting, but my mileage may vary from others who've become accustomed to the knife and are extensive users.

As for the carrying, coming from a strictly "use as weapon" point of view, I'd expect carrying the P'kal would allow for quicker deployment than having to fish out a fixed blade pikal style knife from out of your front pocket (when looking at the two options you're considering). If I thought the probability of using my knife in pikal was high enough to warrant optimizing deployment, I'd put it on a teklok and carry it on my belt just weak-side of centerline canted for a strong draw into hammer-grip-edge-in (horizontal to blend with belt works well enough too and doesn't draw as much attention as the ideal canted position). For reverse-grip-edge-in, I'd wear it on my belt at 3 or 4oclock with handle canted forward and up. I could still draw into reverse-grip-edge-in with the other position near centerline, if needed, but it's more awkward. Both placements are from the Shivworks school of thought.

As it is, I think my chances of having to use my knife in that way is slim, so I carry it in a less attention-drawing (albeit less convenient) way in my rear right pocket. The handle sticks out of my pocket enough that I consider it unconcealed (CA state law for fixed blades, 3" blade is to satisfy municipal codes beyond a doubt in my area). Carrying it completely unconcealed (not covered by a shirt) on the front of my belt just makes me more conscious of the potential attention it might draw, regardless of legality. Not to mention having it out there in plain sight seems like a tactical disadvantage. So having it in my rear pocket seems like a decent compromise and has been working out well for me so far. The lanyard is only to prevent the off-chance of the knife falling out of the pocket, and a biner clipped to a rear belt loop with a paracord braid dropping into the rear pocket is pretty unnoticeable, at least where I am. There is an added benefit of the lanyard clipped to the belt loop; it allows for a quick "yank out of pocket" draw if ever needed. :thumbup:

Anyway, I've been rambling and I'm not quite sure if I've actually helped you any, so I'll stop now :o :D
 
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