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Hi I live in the UK and have tried to get a balisong for years but to no avail!
Can anyone please help with info etc on obtaining a blade either in the UK or if someone would be willing to maybe sell me their Jag or get one for me and ship under plain packaging to the UK. Much appreciate any help given!
 
We have not had any problem shipping anywhere using regular airmail delivery. I think that in most countries, they keep themselves plenty busy with the priority mail enevelops, because they are easy to open and close back up again.

I tell my wife to wrap them up real good, so it's more trouble than it's worth to have to open them and seal them back up. So as far as I know, they xray them, let the dogs sniff em' and send them on there way.

You can check out our site at www.BalisongKnife.com If we can be of any assistance, let us know. Thanks, John (&Helen)

As my son says: the most important thing to learn in martial arts is how to keep yourself in balance, and any one who comes up against you, off balance.



[This message has been edited by JohnR7 (edited 03-24-2001).]
 
If you're at all nervous about it (due to it being illegal to import them), then I would strongly recommend www.knifezilla.com - they have a definate knack for getting them to you as you'll see if you order.
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I can't comment about www.balisongknife.com as I've never actually ordered from them, although I'd imagine they do a great job too!
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One important thing in regards to Jaguars, make sure you do a search on this forum so you know what to expect - the pins will almost certainly need replacing eventually, but its not that hard to do so don't worry.

Oh, and I wouldn't recommend ever taking it out of your house - the potential penalties if you're caught with it are scary to say the least.
 
Hi Cohiba, welcome to the forums. I had the same trouble to obtain a balisong too, but after some help from the guys here, I ordered two Benchmade 42's in Germany (www.tool-shop.com). I received them after 3 business days, no trouble at all.
 
You know, one of my first posts on this forum was a question I asked about trying to "sneak" a balisong past customs. I was bidding on a bali that was in Germany.
http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum47/HTML/001266.html
Just about everyone gave me crap about even discussing something that would be considered "Illegal" on a public forum.

It's kinda nice to see that at least people are a little mellower when it comes to "THE RULES".
 
Blade_420, I line in Denver and just figured I would note that Colorado law doesn't specify balisongs as illegal. The closest they come is...

(e) "Gravity knife" means any knife that has a blade released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force, that when released is locked into place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other device...

To my thinking, a balisong doesn't quite fit the bill, as it uses centrifugal force AND mechanical manipulation, and the blade is not locked into place when released, (IE: by the forces used to release the knife.) but by physical manipulation of the locking mechanism.

I would bet you could beat it in court pretty easy. (Assuming the issue didn't come before court because you used it to kill someone, in which case you have bigger worries.. ;-)

Any one else have an opinion on how defensible balisong ownership is in Co?
 
To TroyO,sorry dude,but the balisong has been found to fit under the "gravity knife" specifications.
Back in the old days when the balisong first hit it big,there were several cases going on in court to see if the balisong fell under the term "switchblade".In California,it did fit the term.One of their statutes stated that "any knife having the appearance of a pocket knife,and shall include a spring blade knife,snap knife,gravity knife or other similiar type knife,the blade or blades of which are two or more inches long and which can be released automatically by a flick of a button,pressure on the handle,flip of the wrist or other mechanical device,or is released by the weight of the blade or by any type of mechanism whatsoever".This was taken from Jeff Imada's Advanced Balisong Manual.Shortly after that it says that "To the best of our knowledge,no court in California has declared the butterfly knife to be a switchblade under state law".
A U.S.Customs act defines the switchblade in almost the same manner as the California code.It says a switchblade is "any knife having a blade which opens automatically (1) by hand pressure applied to a button or other device in the handle of the knife,or (2) by operation of inertia,gravity or both".Yet,a U.S. District Court found that a butterfly isn't a switchblade because the blade did not open automatically by the operation of inertia,gravity or both.
But,even so,the balisong was banned from import in 1986 by U.S.Customs.Any state which has a law that sounds similiar to the ones above will be very tricky if it comes to a court case.It's always up to the court to decide if a balisong classifies as a gravity knife,but it most instances (especially with lame-brained lawyers and judges) it will probably be listed as one.
We have to be very careful about getting courts to find that the balisong should be legal to carry.One mistake could send us further back than we want to be.
 
Just realized there is a knife law forum here, that is more appropriate.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by TroyO:
I would note that Colorado law doesn't specify balisongs as illegal. The closest they come is...

(e) "Gravity knife" means any knife that has a blade released from the handle or sheath thereof by the force of gravity or the application of centrifugal force, that when released is locked into place by means of a button, spring, lever, or other device...

To my thinking, a balisong doesn't quite fit the bill, as it uses centrifugal force AND mechanical manipulation, and the blade is not locked into place when released . . .
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Trust me. You'd lose big time on this one. It says "ANY" knife with ANY of the defined features. The statute is written to include ANY of the features and not ALL or some combination of these features.

BaliSong is most definitely viewed as a "gravity" knife insofar at it opens by gravity and centrifical force.

In Oregon/Washington you can have one, but not carry concealed. Same for autos/switchblades. Seattle gets pissy when the blade excedes 3.5 inches.

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[This message has been edited by Redfield (edited 03-27-2001).]
 
Actually the laws regarding balisongs in Colorado are:

It is legal to Buy, Sell and Own butterfly knives, just not to cary in public.

The only time that I've ever seen any confrontation is wen one of my (stupider) friends (about 10 years ago) brought one into a courthouse and put it in the tray with his keys before trying to pass through the metal detector. They arrested him on the spot.

I believe that the same goes for switchblades, however I haven't seen any for sale except for antique shops. There are a couple of places in town that sell Jaguars, though.
 
I actually did a little research on Co knife law, more specifically I have before me the full text of the statutes, and have corresponded with Bernard Levine regarding some specifics.

Note, what I am about to launch into is technicalities within the law, keep in mind a judge can simply rule that your hot dog is a "Dangerous impliment" and it will still cost you an arm and a leg in legal fees to fight.

Colorado knife laws:

Open carry (IE, unconcealed)
No limit as to blade length or design. You can walk down Main street with a broad sword.
(Common sense: whether legal or not, you will still be stopped, questioned and probably held by police anyway.)

Concealed carry: Single edge knife under 3 1/2".
(Because of a syntax error in the Co statute you can by a close shave of a technicality also carry a dagger, dirk or stihletto under 3 1/2" also, but we are really cutting hairs here, better not to try it.) Remember, "Open carry" is just about whatever you want it to be.

Balisongs DO NOT fit the definition of gravity knife.
(This does not mean that a judge can not decide that it does fit the definition, and cost you $10K plus in legal fees to appeal... there is our "Dangerous Hot Dog" warning. Remember also, if the balisong has a blade over 3 1/2" and is concealed it would fall under that rule also.

You may carry a concealed knife in excess of 3 1/2" in your home, and oddly enough by special exclusion, in your car.

Switchblades and gravity knives are illegal.

Ballistic knives are illegal.

Nunchucks and Shirukins are legal to own, transport and use only for martial arts demonstrations.

Things to watch out for:

Local laws may be stricter.

"Concealed" is not defined, it is a "Question of fact" for a jury. That square sheath for your balisong... does it look enough like a sheath that "Joe Sheeple" will buy that it wasn't concealed?

If you are searched by an officer and asked if you are carrying any weapons, say yes only if you are carrying a firearm. Your legally carried knife is a tool, and to identify it as a weapon just made a case against you.

Another similar item, if you ever have to use a knife for self defense, do not say you carried it for that purpose (Self defense) as it them shows intent. (this is the edit)

This isn't "Rule of thumb", like I said I printed the statutes from Westlaw, and where I had questions I paid for consultation by Bernard Levine, who I believe to be a knowledgable and accurate resource.

If anyone wants quotes from portions of the statute, let me know and I will post them. If you want quotes from Bernard Levine, let me know and I will ask his permission to post it. I am not sure if transferring information garnered by paid consultation is allowed without permission.


[This message has been edited by TroyO (edited 03-27-2001).]
 
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