Looking to make some strops: leather suppliers?

If you don't want to deal with online orders any hobby store should have a selection of leather. For a strop I would like to put hands on the leather first and hopefully have several different types and cuts to feel out before purchasing.
 
Maybe I can get samples from this place. It's worth a shot. What exactly am I looking for in terms of leather feel? Rough leather - smooth leather, just like grits on a sharpening stone?

Thanks!
 
Do a search for American Hand Leather--I recently purchased a couple pieces from them, specifically for strops, and it is very nice, a really fine, refined grain. I have been referred to them as the ones with the 'good stuff'
 
If your just going to buy any leather just to slap polishing compound on it then do yourself a favor and use balsa wood.
 
I just got a 24"x12" sheet of 10oz veg tanned leather from Jantz for around $28

This leather from Jantz is PERFECT for making strops! You can make 8 twelve inch bench strops at a cost of less than $4 each!
Just be aware that you need to process this leather before you use it. Frankly, I'd process it before cutting it as well. You can do the entire sheet in 30-45 minutes, and have leather every bit as good as what is sold by top quality shaving strop companies. For instructions, do a search of this forum. I've written out step-by-step instructions several times for turning veg-tanned leather into firm stropping surfaces. (The longer you roll it, the better it becomes!)


Stitchawl
 
Thanks a TON! I didn't realize the leather had to be processed at all. I'm actually making 8 12"x2.5" bench strops out of high polished ipe. I'd hate to have it not come out right.

Could you possibly post a link to those instructions?
 
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Thanks a TON! I didn't realize the leather had to be processed at all. I'm actually making 8 12"x2.5" bench strops out of high polished ipe. I'd hate to have it not come out right.

Could you possibly post a link to those instructions?

Here's one of many quality posts (below) from Stitchawl; this one's pretty recent, found in the thread linked here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1199769-Stropping-leather-thoughts

If you are interested, here is a very good video of how Horween Leather (the world's leader in Cordovan Shell leather production) makes their product, from raw hides to finished shoes. You see every step in the Shell Cordovan production clearly demonstrated. I was fortunate to be given a complete shell of Horween Cordovan a few years ago... It really IS magnificent!



If it were me, I'd only use horse hide if I were making a strop to be used without compounds. I'd make a hanging strop if I was going to be stropping a straight razor, or a bench strop if I was going to use it for my knives. I'd use 7/9oz vegetable tanned leather. Nothing thinner.
Best: http://www.sheridanleather.com/Horse_Strips_p/3104.htm - large enough for half a dozen hanging and bench strops
Cheapest: http://www.maverickleathercompany.com/horween/horse-butt-strips/veg-horsebutt-strips/

For strops to be used for general knife stropping 'with' compounds, hanging strops for convex edges and bench strops for flat beveled edges, I'd use 7/9oz vegetable tanned cowhide. You can find this in many different sources, both on-line and around most cities. A 12"x12" square with make 3-4 very nice bench strops. A hanging strop needs to be longer, perhaps 16"-18", but both should be at least 3" wide.
Tandy Leather is probably the most well known source, having both local shops and on-line ordering. 'HobbyLobby,' 'HomeCraft,' etc., etc., or a host of other craft centers all carry suitable leather. Just be sure that it is 'vegetable tanned' and at least 7/9oz thickness.
On line you can order pieces from Texas Knifemakers Supply, Jantz Knifemakers Supply, or a hundred different leather companies. Just do a search using 'vegetable tanned leather' as your search string, then look for the right size and thickness.

Once you have your leather, remember that it's up to you to 'process' it into a good quality strop. (Called'casing' leather)
Wet the leather on both sides in the sink, just for a few seconds, then let it dry for an hour or two. It will be almost as pliable as modeling clay. Then using some sort of rolling pin or smooth pipe, roll and compress the leather over and over on a smooth, hard surface. Do this for as long as you can... 15 minutes is good, 30 minutes is better. If you have the determination, do it for 45 minutes and you'll have a strop that's better than almost anything you can purchase for under $100! (You can see this being done to the Shells in the Horween video, using a machine to do the rolling.) Set the leather aside to dry for 2-3 days while you make the base (or hanging hook and handle,) then using ordinary contact cement, (apply a thin layer to BOTH the rough side of the leather and the top of the base, let it dry for 15-20 minutes, then press together and roll on it to really set the bond,) glue it to the base and let it dry. Trim it to size. Then use 3-4 pea sized 'dots' of ordinary shoe cream (NOT shoe polish or wax!) that you can buy in any shoe store, department store, Walmart, Target, most supermarkets, etc., rub the cream into the surface of the leather. Rub it in well using the heel of your hand. Let the strop sit over night, then using a clean cloth gently rub off any excess cream. The End.
You now have a strop (or three) better than 98% of those being sold anywhere for any amount of money! It's as simple as that!
The right leather is important.
The right processing is even MORE important.
Once or twice (only!) a year re-do the shoe cream treatment and your strop will be something to pass down to your grandkids!


Stitchawl


David
 
The issue with buying leather online is that unless other people have bought it for steps and can tell you how it turned out you can get a real soft leather or leather as soft as steel. Even at Tandy I have seen leather that was rock hard and perfect for strops, and leather that was almost like garment leather.

Honestly the best leather I got was a scrap bag from Tandy. The leather is so stiff that you can hold the corner and it doesn't bend.
 
I've searched around for information on leather strops from time to time, watched some videos I believe, read around on various forums, but I'm still not exactly sure about certain aspects of leather stropping. Lots of places teach you how to make a leather strop, but it doesn't really delve into details, and information seems to be very scattered - is there one place, one page that tells you everything about leather stropping? Most places that teach you how to make a strop just tells you where to order leather, or to use a belt or something similar.

What's the difference between the various types of leathers, leather treatments, their effects on stropping, and the steel? What can be used for stropping besides leather, and why? If the purpose is to push the steel in a direction, why is there a difference between the leathers? And can you use the fuzzy side for stropping? What's the difference between the 2 sides?
 
The issue with buying leather online is that unless other people have bought it for steps and can tell you how it turned out you can get a real soft leather or leather as soft as steel. Even at Tandy I have seen leather that was rock hard and perfect for strops, and leather that was almost like garment leather.

Honestly the best leather I got was a scrap bag from Tandy. The leather is so stiff that you can hold the corner and it doesn't bend.


Different tanning processes result in different qualities in the leather. Basically there are three types of tanning; vegetable, mineral, and brain tanning. Brain tanning was the older method used to tan deer skins, and results in a very, very soft, supple hide, perfect for garments. Mineral tanning uses, as you'd suspect, minerals to tan the hide. Chromium is the main constituent of mineral tanning and the process is known as 'Chrome tanning.' The leather is strong and quite supple, perfect for jackets, coats, dresses, furniture coverings, etc. Vegetable tanning uses various 'tannins' (hence the name) from the bark of chestnut, oak, tanoak, hemlock, quebracho, and mangrove trees. The leather is stronger and more stiff, good for luggage, belts, sheaths, holsters, saddlery, etc.

Three factors control the flexibility of vegetable tanned leather; the location (shoulder, back, belly, etc.,) the thickness, and the animal. Thickness of leather is measured not in inches or millimeters, but in ounces. For sheaths and strops, the best vegetable tanned leather comes from 8-9oz leathers taken from the back or shoulder of the animal (usually cow.) For a sheath or holster, the leather is worked as is. For a strop, this leather is compressed to less than half its thickness, resulting in a dense, very firm surface.

If you come across some leather being sold, it's usually easy to know what you are seeing. If it's thin, colored leather, very flexible, it's probably chrom-tanned leather. If it's tan colored, and somewhat stiff (you can't roll it around your finger) it's probably vegetable tanned leather. If that tan leather is very thin and feels like cardboard, it's probably really crappy quality leather. Avoid it! Good quality leather 'feels' like good quality, even to someone whose never felt it before.

Knife-making suppliers tend to sell decent quality leather in their sheath departments. Not 'great' stuff, but good enough for strop making, and they sell it in smaller 'single sheet' quantities than most of the high quality leather companies. Tandy Leather Factory sells a bit of everything, and there are often good deals to be had, but it's a crap shoot when you buy the 'scrap' bags. Sometimes you really luck out. Other times you get 2"x3" triangles...


Stitchawl
 
Regarding the 'weight' of leather in 'ounces', it's an indirect reference to thickness. 1 'ounce' of weight is approximately equivalent to 1/64" of thickness; hence, '8-ounce' leather will be 8/64" thick, i.e. 1/8". Tandy has a very handy reference page, which includes this info and a conversion chart, as well as a glossary of leather-related terminology, found here:

http://www.tandyleatherfactory.com/en-usd/home/infoandservices/leatherguide/leatherguide.aspx


David
 
I've searched around for information on leather strops from time to time, watched some videos I believe, read around on various forums, but I'm still not exactly sure about certain aspects of leather stropping. Lots of places teach you how to make a leather strop, but it doesn't really delve into details, and information seems to be very scattered - is there one place, one page that tells you everything about leather stropping? Most places that teach you how to make a strop just tells you where to order leather, or to use a belt or something similar.

What's the difference between the various types of leathers, leather treatments, their effects on stropping, and the steel? What can be used for stropping besides leather, and why? If the purpose is to push the steel in a direction, why is there a difference between the leathers? And can you use the fuzzy side for stropping? What's the difference between the 2 sides?

All good questions!
IMO, it does not matter much what backing you use (as long as you want to use compound on it), whether leather, wood, denim, linen, nanocloth, the back side of a sanding belt etc. Sure, you need the right technique, for instance on a surface with give, you are of course likely to round the edge/apex more than you should/like. Usually you use edge trailing only and the compound predicts more or less the result. Same compound will have different characteristics depending on the backing. Some backings (the flesh side of leather for instance) have better feedback than others, if very little pressure applied, youn can tell when at the apex.

That bring me to the best solution in my world - printer paper! If used on hard backing with structure (coarse side of a norton crystolon stone for instance or even better on HeavyHanded's washboard) you have enough feedback to tell where you are, it is cheap, clean, disposable, new surface every time, predictable etc. If you use it on the same backing every time then the compounds are very predictable. Sure, you don't want to use expensive CBN emulsions or diamond sprays etc. on paper - for that type of compound I would strongly recommend nanocloth! But for the everyday compounds this is the way to go.

Some may say, and I agree in terms of results, that a well designed and loaded leather strop has a better "3 dimensional" polish, meaning that the very teeth of the apex get polished all around them if you use a backing with "some fibres" sticking out (sorry for this complete non-scientific language) compared to paper but unless you use it on skin (shaving), there is no performance advantage but a loss in 3-finger-stickyness/bite for sure!!

I'd like to hear what others think about this.
 
All good questions!
IMO, it does not matter much what backing you use (as long as you want to use compound on it), whether leather, wood, denim, linen, nanocloth, the back side of a sanding belt etc. Sure, you need the right technique, for instance on a surface with give, you are of course likely to round the edge/apex more than you should/like. Usually you use edge trailing only and the compound predicts more or less the result. Same compound will have different characteristics depending on the backing. Some backings (the flesh side of leather for instance) have better feedback than others, if very little pressure applied, youn can tell when at the apex.

That bring me to the best solution in my world - printer paper! If used on hard backing with structure (coarse side of a norton crystolon stone for instance or even better on HeavyHanded's washboard) you have enough feedback to tell where you are, it is cheap, clean, disposable, new surface every time, predictable etc. If you use it on the same backing every time then the compounds are very predictable. Sure, you don't want to use expensive CBN emulsions or diamond sprays etc. on paper - for that type of compound I would strongly recommend nanocloth! But for the everyday compounds this is the way to go.

Some may say, and I agree in terms of results, that a well designed and loaded leather strop has a better "3 dimensional" polish, meaning that the very teeth of the apex get polished all around them if you use a backing with "some fibres" sticking out (sorry for this complete non-scientific language) compared to paper but unless you use it on skin (shaving), there is no performance advantage but a loss in 3-finger-stickyness/bite for sure!!

I'd like to hear what others think about this.

For tonight shave, I used the 52100 bluntcut paring and stropped on HH's washboard on old 1 micron compound .. :thumbup:
 
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