Looks like a griz eats another tourist in Yellowstone

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The bears need there own space and people need to learn how bear spray works, because spray works for sure and is a non violent means of protecting ones self. I spend alot of time in the wilderness' of MT.
 
This is getting common. Hikers being eaten by bears. What ARE we going to do? ;)

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I have heard and read from a few experts on the subject of animal behavior. Namely biologist. The believe that humans have impacted the behavior of animals through our interactions over the years. Well, not just humans. They're constantly adapting really. To their environment, to other animals, and of course, to us.
For example, perhaps due in part to the extinction of wolves in much of North America (up until their re-introduction a few decades ago from Canadian wolf packs into parts of Wyoming, Montana, etc) coyotes had moved up in the food chain. They didn't start forming large parks, triple in size and start taking down Caribou or anything crazy like that in the last one-hundred years, but they've become more wolf like then previously. Before wolves came back to Yosemite, they acted different then their cousins in Canada. They would form packs and take on larger prey. They were bolder and kept less to the shadows. When wolves came back, their coyote numbers were more than halved. And they became more solo again. I bring this up as an example that animals adapt and adapt quickly.
For a long time now, up until around the turn of the twentieth century, humans were a predator to be avoided by animals. The scents, sounds, and sight of humans was enough to deter a dangerous animal. Sure maybe you were unarmed while taking a walk around the wilds of Wyoming in 1860, but the Grizzlies and Wolves didn't know that. Through years of dealing with the natives and later trappers and mountain men, they knew enough to not take chances when humans were around.
That memory stayed ingrained with them even after their hunting became illegal. But it's been lessened as the years have gone by. Years have gone by where they have had interactions with humans were no harm was brought to them. The smell of a campfire no longer registers as dangerous humans nearby who might turn them into a rug. To a black bear, it means an easy meal at night when they are asleep and not tending to their food. Mountain lions accustomed to joggers running by unwary of their hidden presence may one day decide to make a meal of one if times get lean. As for Grizzlies, maybe they see us a nuisance, a threat to their cubs, or simply a potential meal. But they don't fear us.
Even wolves attacks, still considered very rare (in fact I'm not even sure there has ever been an officially recorded fatal attack on a human) have recently happened. I read in Canada or perhaps Michigan where some wolves came into a tent and dragged a child from his hair. He screamed, the parents woke up and managed to kick and fight the wolves off. Same with a lone female jogger in Australia being attacked by several dingos.
They've all learned we are not be feared. We are a potential meal.
 
We got way more dumb tourists than bears...


That's for sure. When I visited yellow stone there was a huge moose with its calf about 100 feet from the road. People pulled to the side of the road and stood by their cars and started watching. Suddenly a woman started running toward the moose with her daughter as the husband followed behind with a camera. Everyone started screaming things like "OMG GET AWAY" "COME BACK" "WHAT ARE YOU DOING", but the family was Asian tourist and did not understand, and they ended up posing for a picture standing about 10 feet in front of the moose. They returned safely to their car and I doubt they had any idea how dangerous the situation they put themselves in.
 
I live in the city and count some very liberal socialist types amongst my friends. I like the city. I prefer cities. Every environmentalist I've met (including a environmental biology professor and the official stance of the Sierra club) loves cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles. They believe the best thing for America would be for more of us to live in cities. When someone lives on some rural acres in say, Wyoming or Montana, they have a far larger impact on the environment then if they had lived in apartment building in West Hollywood. This fact, and it is a fact, I cannot argue against. As much as I may want to. They have the figures, the facts, the statistics.
Their vision? To model the country to be more like California. Looking at recreational map of California, it's easy to see that the combined areas of Death Valley NP, Joshia Tree NP, Yosemite, The various national forest, the various lands controlled by the Bureau of land management, wilderness and state parks, together combined, make up a huge chunk of the state. Well over a third of the state.
We could do the same with the rest of the country. Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Idaho? Kick them out and designate the whole area a large national park. It's only a few million people anyway.
 
Excuse me, Mr. Ed, but this was someone's son, father, and/or friend. Save the sarcasm for youself. Accidents happen, even to 'smart' tourists like you apparently are.
 
We got way more dumb tourists than bears...
agreed! its sad but true. you have folks who go to jellystone and try to pet the damn animals. they will try to pet buffalo, elk, and some think that bears are all warm and snuggly.
i have had several friends that have worked in jellystone and glacier. you would not believe the stories that they can tell. there have been times when tourist have been caught trying to FEED grizzly bears. WTF... i'm not saying this guy did that, but regardless it happens.
my friends have been asked the following questions while working in the NPs; "who feeds the animals and at what time", "who turns 'old faithful' on", "at what elevation do deer turn into elk", "where do you put the animals in winter", "where do you keep the wolves", etc.. sometimes their just left scratching their heads. we all use to get good laughs at the bar over their stories. NPs are not petting zoos...
that being said, tourist are killed or mauled every year out here. some because of stupity some just 'wrong place, wrong time'. experienced backpackers/hunters from MT are also killed occasionally. however, us folks that live and play in griz country do try to be 'bear aware'. when i'm out i have bear spray and am always packing heat.
most tourist just dont get or understand the fact that there are lots of animals that can kill you out here. this aint Iowa or nyc!
 
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When someone lives on some rural acres in say, Wyoming or Montana, they have a far larger impact on the environment then if they had lived in apartment building in West Hollywood. This fact, and it is a fact, I cannot argue against.

If you're trying to be sarcastic it's hard to pick up. Since you claim to agree with them, I would love to see your facts if you can get them out of the wheelbarrow with the rest of the bravosierra you're carting around. I live in a rural area and I can guarantee you that my impact or footprint is less than anyone who lives in an apartment building in West Hollywood. The fact that the Dept. of Ecology and the Conservation District of my county pay us to keep our land as is tells me so. Save your liberal politics for some other forum. Your post has nothing to do with the OP unless you really think that it's reasonable and possible to kick everyone out of the Rocky Mountain states.

The short-sighted thinking displayed by you and your very liberal socialist types is so ironic .....
 
This is getting common. Hikers being eaten by bears. What ARE we going to do? ;)

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Load it with slugs.
 
What diet do those "city-dweller only" types eat? Do they think Ralph grows beef, pork and chicken in the back room of his meat market? Does lulu's fruit and veggie stand grow all that stuff on their roof? Do wheat and beans grow between the apartment buildings? Cities to me are just paved over former habitats where people pile on top of each other and scratch about for money to buy food grown elsewhere, mostly by people who live with and appreciate nature.
 
The guy that was killed was from the Keewenaw Peninsula here in the U.P. They have lots of black bears in that area.We do not have the particulars so I will keep my opinion to myself.Lets just say even living here in the U.P. of Michigan with black bears,wolves,moose and cougars.I spend a lot of time in the woods. I always carry a handgun and large knife. I carry a Glock 40 caliber a lot but just bought a Ruger super redhawk in 454 casull that will be on my hip now on all woods trips.We have had 2 people mauled by black bears this year. I have been followed out of the woods from bow hunting by a wolf before. I am in the thought group of I would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
 
Every activity has risks. White water rafting is big here in WV but nearly every year somebody gets tossed off a raft and winds up dying.

Rock festivals are hugely fun but one I was at this summer some girls sleeping in a tent were run over and one killed when the guy just below us tried to leave the last day and his car rolled on steep ground.

Prescription drug abuse is huge in my state and OD is the main cause of death for those under 45. Mercer County WV is the #1 place in the US per capita for hepatitis B due to the drug problem.

I had a fellow I know who leads backpacking trips have an attendee die of an MI in his tent over night even. Probably he had exsisting coronary artery disease and the hiking put him over.

My dentist was fishing in the Great Lakes when a storm blew in capsized their boat and he drowned.

My point is that various recreational activities often have potentially dangerous effects.
The potential is there.
 
I was in Yellowstone for two weeks in June and saw more bears, grizzly and black, than I have seen in my three previous trips combined. The snow pack in the upper regions has been so thick this year that all the bears have come down into the valleys ,where most of the trails are, because of the scarcity of carcasses that they normally gorge on in the early spring/summer to put on some weight after hibernation. The Merry Mountain Trail that this fellow was hiking is serious back country and I'm sure the fellow knew what he was doing considering his home in the UP and the walk he was undertaking. It just goes to show that when you are in nature it is truly red in tooth and claw. You take the precautions that you can and then throw the dice when you go out of doors. I know when I soloed out there it was a grand experience and I would rather get eaten out there then die enfeebled in my bed.
 
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What diet do those "city-dweller only" types eat? Do they think Ralph grows beef, pork and chicken in the back room of his meat market? Does lulu's fruit and veggie stand grow all that stuff on their roof? Do wheat and beans grow between the apartment buildings? Cities to me are just paved over former habitats where people pile on top of each other and scratch about for money to buy food grown elsewhere, mostly by people who live with and appreciate nature.

The one thing that cities grow better than anywhere else is arrogance.
 
Sad for the experienced hiker.
We will never know the real circumstances and should
really refrain from making judgment on his case.
I just saw this on the news.
They showed a bunch of cars pulled off to the shoulder
of the road and people out of there cars to get close
to a Grizzly,who was trying to cross the road.
Makes me wonder if people think.
Im a city dweller and never saw a bear out in nature,
but im sure if I did,I would certainly not try to get close
to pose for a picture.
(I dont wanna be one of those 2 minute YouTube movies :) )
 
It's a bummer, but like hollow indicated life is not risk free, and often the choices we make have an impact on the degree of risk.
 
Excuse me, Mr. Ed, but this was someone's son, father, and/or friend. Save the sarcasm for youself. Accidents happen, even to 'smart' tourists like you apparently are.

Thank you very much. This is a sad cautionary tale, hardly an excuse to feel superior.
 
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