Loose Blades On My 301 Stockman

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The blades are coming loose on my Buck 301 stockman, How do I tighten the pivots?
 
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How old is it?

In particular, are the pivots visible?

If not, it may be an old one made by Schrade using the Swindon key construction. Once they loosen up, there's no good fix.
 
pinnah said:
How old is it?

In particular, are the pivots visible?

If not, it may be an old one made by Schrade using the Swindon key construction. Once they loosen up, there's no good fix.
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True.

A quick way to tell at a glance if it was made by Schrade/Camillus:

Nail Nick on main blade = Buck made.

Long Pull on main blade = Schrade/Camillus made.
 
afishhunter said:
True.

A quick way to tell at a glance if it was made by Schrade/Camillus:

Nail Nick on main blade = Buck made.

Long Pull on main blade = Schrade/Camillus made.
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Right. Buck moved the production to Camillus exactly because of the costs associated with trying to repair Schrade's Swinden Key models. Camillus used a traditional peened pivot construction, which is why you need to closely inspect the bolsters for a visible pivot.

Here's a Camillus made 301
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Here's a Schrade made 301. Notice that the "bolster" is actually just a thin cap on top of the Swinden Key frame.
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I can't find/access any pictures of the Swinden Key internals. Perhaps somebody can find one?
 
pinnah said:
Right. Buck moved the production to Camillus exactly because of the costs associated with trying to repair Schrade's Swinden Key models. Camillus used a traditional peened pivot construction, which is why you need to closely inspect the bolsters for a visible pivot.

Here's a Camillus made 301
1488251071_51_157_3.jpg



Here's a Schrade made 301. Notice that the "bolster" is actually just a thin cap on top of the Swinden Key frame.
1487977408_40_5_1.jpg


I can't find/access any pictures of the Swinden Key internals. Perhaps somebody can find one?
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courtesy of our moderator 300Bucks 300Bucks . these are his pictures.......I borrowed from one of his posts on the topic.....these are Buck ones with the Swinden key setup, I believe

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a cross sectional cut across to see the internal.
 
Everyone has been helpful. If OP is still checking the thread maybe I can do justice here. Schrade model pivot pin is brass and if you pry or push hard the pin will eventually take a set and the blades will get loose. The main blade can even get to opening past the horizontal if you push extra hard. To repair this model you have to take it completely apart and put in a new pin and then put it back together. Buck will not do this.
Buck was proud of their warranty so instead of losing dollars on each Schrade made model needing repair they switched makers to Camillus , which as stated above, had a through-pin construction. To repair you just knock out the pin a certain direction and place in a new pin.
Longer pins were used so that you could squeeze them down flaring out the ends. Then the pin was polished down to bolster level.
A quicker and easier fix. You just put in a new blade and you don't have to take the whole knife apart.

If it were a family heirloom and if it was a Camillus model (small nail nic) I might call the warranty department , when things nationally get straightened out, state it is a special and could they put in a new blade. It will be a blade from recent past.
If it's not a heirloom they will just replace it with a current model, new in the box. If you were to send it in be certain to write a note stating it is a keepsake and you want it back , no matter what. Hope this helps someone and increases knowledge.
If your the kind of person that doesn't like to fool with any of this, but you would receive a cleaned, razor sharp hardened blade, and fancy polish on all surfaces, you can try placing the bolster between two pieces of wood in a vice and putting no more than moderate pressure, squeeze it a little. If that doesn't do it whacking it with a ballpeen hammer will let you end up with a ruined knife.Don't
even try.
I'll be honest, early in my knife collecting life I gained enough knowledge I though I could fix cheap, flea market 300's with bolster issues. No matter how careful I was, know matter how many Utubes I watched it never came out well. So I have a small box with a half dozen knives in it someday someone will wonder why I kept these fouled up knives. 300Bucks
 
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