Lover,s Lane or Cruiser Bar .

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Lets face it Gay is here to stay .

In truth it was always here with prejudice blind to it and : discretion being the better part of valour : much more prevalent . Could the terminology used be kept within social boundaries ?

I took an old friend for a walk in a local woodland park . It has been brought back from broad grasslands to a fairly healthy wood with a lot of interesting flora within it . The fauna is another matter .

Strewn about and not in short supply are condom wrappers . Certainly there is other trash that does not speak well of the place . There is still too high a percentage of condoms to common trash not to be found outside of a brothel . In a short walk I saw a dozen and I was not looking for them .

Along with this seemed to be an inordinate amount of single men strolling through a small patch of these woods . It may be simple prejudice on my part though they seemed to be putting on a display . I am not talking runway model garrishness . Still there was something more than a simple walk in the woods going on .

I began to feel out of place . As if I was an intruder . This certainly didn,t come from them except for their being there . It was more a feeling that this was no longer a public park and had become something more . (or less)

I don,t know how less distressed I would have been if these were hetero- sexual couples tristing in the moonlight . That domain seems to be limited to more private places . Certainly not limited to the backs of cars in a secluded lane . Most commonly not found along well used paths in a shallow woods .

In truth I have only once come along one couple following natures way in a woodland setting . On a blanket in a large out of the way meadow . Being of a discreet nature I left them to their passion .

Is it me who is out of date ? Aside from the physical trashiness of the place I felt there was a cheap defilement taking place .
I am not saying each liason between consenting adults should end in marriage and children . I do feel the level of respect given to a partner may be reflected in the casual manner the woods was treated .
 
I dont really care - but I'm not happy about gay couples leaving condonms laying around, just as much as I am not happy about straight couples leaving condoms around. Then again, I am glad they're at least using them.

Blessings,

Keno
 
Keno I get what you are saying . This doesn,t appear to be couples at least not in the traditional sense . Temporary liasons between strangers may be the euphemistic term . A liason that seems as important and less long lasting than the discarded wrappers they leave behind .
 
The modern world does not want marriage. Marriage means kids and responsibilities, neither of which benefits modern corporations. They want both parents to be 110% dedicated to work, to work at company discretion, to be able to accept high levels of instablility in employment. The old, stable male head of the family system has been dismantled by institutional greed. Most of the singles running around arn't gay; they are just single - and happy to remain that way. It is the optimal play in our screwed-up society.

n2s
 
Keno I get what you are saying . This doesn,t appear to be couples at least not in the traditional sense . Temporary liasons between strangers may be the euphemistic term . A liason that seems as important and less long lasting than the discarded wrappers they leave behind .

Ok, I get the idea. Don't care about that either. I have been to places where those temporary liasons sometimes take place, mostly between heterosexual couples though (sorry guys, I'm straight :D ). It doesn't disturb me at all.
I think it's better though if this happens in closed locations, and thus doesn't disturb other people.

I do see the trend though, less marriages, and more divorces, which mostly leaves kids trying to decide which parent they love 'more'. Seeing that, I totally like the idea of responsible (-> condoms) short-term relationships, at least you dont hurt the kids. Be it straight or gay couples, doesn't make a difference to me.

(Not saying that it matters to you, Kevin, just sharing some ideas)

Blessings, Keno
 
Thats O:K: Keno . It does matter to me . That is why I ask for input . I do have a natural aversion to homosexuality . It is not the issue to me . I would have similar feelings if it was heterosexual coupling with strangers .

To me even disregarding the lack of intimacy it seems like dogs in heat enslaved by sensation . That is not passion . How can one have a regard for others if one has so little regard for oneself .
 
hum, dunno...i've seen passion without much intimacy. in fact, it looked like a lot of fun :D but then again, closed location, not a public place where folks that are not into *whatever they're doing* have to see/notice it...

out of respect i would not force others to see what they may not want to see...

then again, if there's like a special time where everyone knows what's going on and where, different case...if you still decide to walk by...do you get me point?

Keno
 
I do believe there is a very great difference that has little to do with the plumbing involved . It has to do more with respect than intimacy .

If you do not respect yourself it is a rare man that will respect others .
 
The modern world does not want marriage. Marriage means kids and responsibilities, neither of which benefits modern corporations. They want both parents to be 110% dedicated to work, to work at company discretion, to be able to accept high levels of instablility in employment. The old, stable male head of the family system has been dismantled by institutional greed. Most of the singles running around arn't gay; they are just single - and happy to remain that way. It is the optimal play in our screwed-up society.

n2s

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/07/10-reasons-you-should-never-get-a-job/

well then. seems in today's society, it's hard for me to even find work some years. sheesh.

bladite
 
I'm married (20yrs)and queer, but I'm not going to apologize for a bunch of tricks leaving scumbags around in the woods for kids to find. A wierd behaviour BTW. Most cruise areas are extremely tidy, as in spotless. People clean up after themselves.

Promiscuity, tolerance, and self respect are very different issues, and I'd caution against projecting your own values onto other people. A lot of promiscuous people just have a whole lot of love (or something) to give. Most have great self esteem and respect people, regardless of wether they accept the promiscuous person's gifts. Some of the people I look up to trick. It doesn't change how I feel about them at all, -even if they don't try me ; )

And that's another thing. I've never felt unsafe in a cruisy situation. Nobody's tried to make me do anything I don't want in a cruise space; Men, women or transgender. This is good, because while I like casual 'scening' (kinky stuff) with all types of people, I just don't like having sex with people I don't know.

And now, I will share a joke from the GBLT community. It's about two feminine lesbians dating:

Date 1: tea and a chat.

Date 2: first kiss

Date 3: moving van arrives
 
Could you explain what you mean?

There are those going through life enslaved by their Ids . There are those who display their egos like laurel wreaths . There are a multitude of steps upon a path both above and below this . As far as I know it is best to find ones balance along this path as opposed to becoming stymied by a lack of direction .

To not show respect for others is to display a lack of respect for oneself .
To not show respect for nature is to display a lack of respect for oneself .
 
This is not a cruise area . I don,t even know what that is . This is a family oriented park in the middle of a residential area . As has been stated this has little to do with the sexual orientation involved and all to do with respect . If wanting people to clean up after themselves is projecting my values onto them then that is what I am doing . If wanting them to show some decorum , (a sense of occasion ) is projecting my values onto them then again yes that is what I am doing .
 
There's an area of Bidwell Park that's pretty famous for that type of thing. It's been going on for quite some time; rumor has it that Errol Flynn was quite fond of visiting it at night while the filming for Robin Hood was going on. I have no problems with it, but littering is littering, particularly with condoms. I could care less if the person using them is heterosexual or homosexual; throw the damned things away in the trash. I've seen them laying on the ground ten feet away from a trash can.
 
Yeah, I think this is less an issue of sexual orientation and more an issue of discretion. I just know I don't want to have to worry about condoms on the ground all over the place, no matter how they were used. Just throw 'em out.

Chris
 
The entire state of California is about 10 feet from any trash can.


What I remember is no matter how far you hiked, you'd always find trash somewhere along the trail.


munk
 
The entire state of California is about 10 feet from any trash can.


What I remember is no matter how far you hiked, you'd always find trash somewhere along the trail.


munk


You and I have very different views of California.
 
Kevin,

Kevin the grey said:
To not show respect for others is to display a lack of respect for oneself .
To not show respect for nature is to display a lack of respect for oneself .

richardallen said:
out of respect i would not force others to see what they may not want to see...

if that is the case, I think we can agree to agree :)


And still, I am glad they're at least using condoms.

Blessings,

Keno
 
As I said, the used condoms everywhere is odd. Disgusting and stupid too. Used condoms are a great way to attract angry residents and cops. Last month I was in a wooded area geared towards casual encounters between men, and it was spotless. CSI wouldn't have known what was going on.

Next time you're menaced by some twink in those woods, Kevin the grey, tell him to clean that s**t up.
 
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