M-43 Handle Redoux

jdk1

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We’ll I’m at it again. Once you get over the initial fear that you will destroy something, tinkering with it becomes fun! Some may remember my very special, special order, 19 inch M-43 by Tirtha. I was floored when I received it and I’m still amazed every time I hold it. It came with a very serviceable wooden handle. But many of my other khuks came with great handles. I remember Cpl. Punishment (I believe) saying he always felt his M-43 would fly out of his hand during use. Mine wasn’t quite to that point, but never felt rock solid either. Now I must offer full disclosure. As some may remember, I’m just getting to know my new rotator cuff. So my M-43 has not seen heavy use of any sort yet, though I feel heavy use will only endear me to this lovely khuk. My lighter khuks are seeing use and I’m enjoying it. I didn’t want my M-43 to be an “it’s a great khuk, but I’m gonna grab my WWII/ GRS/BC/CAK….” khuk. I wanted it to feel as good as it looked. Time is precious right now, with small children, but I managed to fit in some weekend work sessions. Like my B-43 (chiruwa Bhojpuri/Malla), I’m glad I hit the work bench.

I locked her into the vise and began to work. I remembered Hung’s advice to work slow and take breaks. I started with sandpaper, constantly assessing my work. I quickly realized using sand paper was not quite enough. I began using files, rasps, and a Dremel tool. You have to watch the Dremel tool! It actually went very smoothly. I did get one gouge with a rasp, but final sanding worked most of it out. Notice the rear pins are larger than the front. I followed Hung’s advice again, removing the wood while leaving the pin. I peened the pin using a small ball peen hammer with leather covering the anvil surface of my vice, to protect the other side of the handle. Once I had the pins peened to my satisfaction, I filed them down. Final sanding with 100, 220, and 400 grit paper preceded Watco Danish Oil in natural color. The wood is very dark maroon/brown, with purple and black grain, looking suspiciously like red…never mind. I’m very pleased with the results. The dark wood contrasts nicely with the shiny steel. The wood is also very dense and hard. I have a lot of confidence in the handle’s ability to withstand abuse.

Some Details;

The grip was originally shaped like a “sausage”. It was big in the middle with a little taper at the ends. The diameter was too large, even with my relatively large, but not yeti sized hands. Also, the handle was very round. It seemed like I could swing it with the edge off center without knowing. Without the bell pommel, it could have gotten away from me for sure. Again, it felt OK and would have worked, but with that much material I knew the perfect grip was just beneath the surface. I first worked the top and bottom to give it more downward curve and taper. I didn’t go drastic, just tweaked it. I also increased the taper from top to bottom. I then knocked the top off the bell pommel, rounding it quite a bit. I remember the original M-43 seemed to have little pommel on top compared to the bottom. From there I removed a little from the front sides and a lot from the rear sides. From the top, or bottom, it has a nice taper which guides my hand into place and easily indexes the edge for me, if you understand what I mean. I can now close my eyes and know where the edge is. Since I scratched the base plate while removing metal, I went ahead and sanded the whole pommel with 400 grit paper. I then had to decide what to do with the bolster. I got the idea to sand the “rounds” and leave the “flats” polished. They’re a little scratched, but I kind of like the look. The 400 grit paper leaves a nice satin finish.

I’m very pleased with the results. It feels very good and looks great to me. I will continue to tweak it as I use it, but that will be fun. It was really easy and improved the grip dramatically. I can now say it’s a custom fit! I was very apprehensive to begin, but once I started, it was kind of addicting. I actually had to stop myself to be sure I didn’t remove too much material. Hung’s M-43 lost several ounces after putting his handle on a diet. I was looking forward to seeing where my weight was, since I removed a bit of wood, aluminum, and steel. It started at an already sweet 31.6 ounces, for a 19 inch khuk. I was surprised to find the postal scale registered 31.8 ounces this time. I can only attribute the additional 2/10th ounce to the Danish Oil (or a bad scale). I won’t loose any sleep on this though. Handle weight will only improve the feel, helping balance out the long blade. I didn’t take handle measurements before beginning, but here’s what the handle measures now:

1st Pin: 1.38 (W) X 1.45 (H) inches
2nd Pin: 1.13 (W) X 1.33 (H) inches

A few random thoughts on this khuk or khuks in general:

This khuk will not replace my 16.5 inch WWII for general light work. It can’t. The WWII is just perfect IMHO for lighter work due to the handy size and perfect balance. This M-43 was meant to be my do it all/bullet proof khuk. I hate to use the overused fall of the western world scenario, though this IS the khuk for that. I prefer to think of it more as, if I were a bush pilot or long-term backwoods traveler, what would I need? Maybe I listened too much to Wildmike (I always enjoyed reading his glowing praises of the M-43), but I envision this khuk as handling everything from trimming a walking stick to building a cabin. Mike pretty much proved to my satisfaction that this model is capable of exactly that. At a hair under two pounds and 19 inches in length, it has everything I need in weight and reach without being cumbersome. The chiruwa handle seems easy to repair in the field. Shoot, if it started to crack, I could just wrap it with duct tape or bailing wire (which seemingly grows from the ground in this part of Texas). I also like the longer handle, around 6 ¼ inches from peened end cap to the front of the bolster, due to flexibility. As I’ve said in other threads, it allows me to either add or subtract balance from the blade, depending on hand placement. I see this as a plus for a come-what-may tool. The M-43 is probably no better in this role than an ASTK or the new Deradune (or several others for that matter), but certainly no worse. And strangely, I’ve come full circle over aesthetic preferences. In the beginning, I preferred the angled shoulder, and now really enjoy the quarter moon curve. Go figure. I’ve rambled on long enough. I’d love to hear what y’all think about all of this. I receive a lot of entertainment and knowledge from you guys. Take care and God bless.

Old and new shots from above:
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Old and new profile:
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And an edge view:
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I'm sorry for being so wordy, but I hope you enjoyed the photos:).
 
While taking the photos for the above post, I got a wild hair and wanted to see if I could balance such a large khuk on a small piece of wood for a picture. I started with a piece my son chopped from some lumber with his Bilton. I was surprised it balanced, since we had at least 20 MPH wind gusts. I then wanted to see how far I could go. I found a relatively wind free, we’ll say less windy, part of the yard and stuck a single bamboo chopstick into the ground. I was astounded that 19 inch, two pound khuk just sat there. Lest you think I buried the edge in the chopstick to stabilize it, as the wind gusted, the khuk spun freely, albeit lazily, in about a 20-30 degree arc like a compass needle! The edge was spinning slowly on the hard bamboo end. That Tirtha could create this with a hammer blows my mind. From the top you can see the spine of the khuk is wider than the end of the chopstick upon which it sets! I’m impressed and thought I would share this. Take care.

On first stick:
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On Chopstick!
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From top after it swung around a little:
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Close up:
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Awesome man!


My Santosh 18" M43 is the same way, only one that'll stand up straight. I can balance it on the tiniest corner of a table. F-in love it!
 
Thanks for the great detailed description and photos. You clearly show the benefit of getting a handle that's "too big" -- you can make it fit your hand just right. I rehandled a khuk from scratch and shaping it was even easier since it wasn't chiruwa. The rasp is your friend, just keep checking your work, as you say. I actually made mine asymmetrical to better fit my hand -- being a right hander, it feels better to have the left side of the grip be flatter, where the pads near the fingertips make contact.
 
Your custom job looks like it turned out quite nice.
I'm not sure if the chopstick/khukuri weather vane will catch on, but it is one more thing to add to the list of the multiple things that a khuk can do.
 
That is a very nice big M43! I guess everything is bigger in Texas!

The extra inch you added to the blade brings back the original balance to this beautiful kukri. The real MKII's had that certain look to them, almost no handle and the big long elegant leaf shaped blade. The 19 inches overall brings back that appearance and you did a great job on the handle! It looks factory perfect!

Now you have to fix your shoulder so you can use it...

Bill
Virginia
 
That is a very nice big M43! I guess everything is bigger in Texas!

The extra inch you added to the blade brings back the original balance to this beautiful kukri. The real MKII's had that certain look to them, almost no handle and the big long elegant leaf shaped blade. The 19 inches overall brings back that appearance and you did a great job on the handle! It looks factory perfect!

Now you have to fix your shoulder so you can use it...

Bill
Virginia

Bill, my B-43 fits your description of the MII to the tee! Unfortunately at 36 oz it's a bit heavier than ideal. It has a wonderful feel though. This M-43 feels much more lively and I love it! If I'm not mistaken, you picked one up around the same time. Have you used it much? I really like the model, especially after the grip re-work. For awhile, you couldn't find an M-43. I'm really glad I got this one fitted to me. Thanks for looking and for the kind words guys. Take care and God bless.
 
If I'm not mistaken, you picked one up around the same time. Have you used it much?

John,

I haven't used it at all. What I originally wanted was a MKII just like the antique ones I have, but I wanted one that I could use. The one I got is a very beautiful kukri but the dimensions, weight and feel are not was I was going for. That being said, it is really an incredible kukri! The horn handle feels soft as silk and the blade shines like an old chrome bumper on a show car. If I let a bunch of people pick one of my babies to take home I bet 8 out of every 10 would take this M43. It stands out that much!

Since I have my awesome Bonecutter and several other 'users" there didn't seem to be any point in messing this one up. It sits proudly with my old MKII's on my desk and gets lots of Oooooohs and Ahhhhhhhs.

I have all but given up on finding a newly made correct version of the MKII. I have tried getting them from more than a few different companies and one is more dissapointing than the next. This was the longest running military issued kukri model ever commissioned and thousands are still around almost a hundred years later and yet, it is virtualy impossible to get one made that is even close to being correct! It is baffeling and mind numbing as well as quite expensive trying to find one!!! On the surface it seems like such a basic kukri design but as you are coxed down the rabbit hole you learn more at each turn. They are really a study of a perfectly balanced delicately made masterpiece! I was told by someone I respect that there are "maybe" 5 kami's alive that can make one correctly. Obviously, I haven't come across any of them yet....

I bought a few antique MKII's with the mindset of having one restored for use but once you get them in your hand and they speak to you, I just don't have the heart to do anything to them. They fought their war and deserve rest and respect and so they get to spend the rest of their time with some of their comrads in a place of honor where they can be admired!

Bill
Virginia
 
John,

I haven't used it at all. What I originally wanted was a MKII just like the antique ones I have, but I wanted one that I could use. The one I got is a very beautiful kukri but the dimensions, weight and feel are not was I was going for. That being said, it is really an incredible kukri! The horn handle feels soft as silk and the blade shines like an old chrome bumper on a show car. If I let a bunch of people pick one of my babies to take home I bet 8 out of every 10 would take this M43. It stands out that much!

Since I have my awesome Bonecutter and several other 'users" there didn't seem to be any point in messing this one up. It sits proudly with my old MKII's on my desk and gets lots of Oooooohs and Ahhhhhhhs.

I have all but given up on finding a newly made correct version of the MKII. I have tried getting them from more than a few different companies and one is more dissapointing than the next. This was the longest running military issued kukri model ever commissioned and thousands are still around almost a hundred years later and yet, it is virtualy impossible to get one made that is even close to being correct! It is baffeling and mind numbing as well as quite expensive trying to find one!!! On the surface it seems like such a basic kukri design but as you are coxed down the rabbit hole you learn more at each turn. They are really a study of a perfectly balanced delicately made masterpiece! I was told by someone I respect that there are "maybe" 5 kami's alive that can make one correctly. Obviously, I haven't come across any of them yet....

I bought a few antique MKII's with the mindset of having one restored for use but once you get them in your hand and they speak to you, I just don't have the heart to do anything to them. They fought their war and deserve rest and respect and so they get to spend the rest of their time with some of their comrads in a place of honor where they can be admired!

Bill
Virginia

Bill, they are real lookers. I am also puzzled by the MkII. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed they were 17 inches, Bhojpuri(e?) shaped chiruwa handled and weighed in the mid to low 20s (ounces). My B-43 is an inch longer, but otherwise fits the bill pretty well. But, it weighs a whopping 36 ounces. It is only around 3/8 inch thick. It seems it should be lighter, but it's not. It feels great, but is very blade heavy. I thought if the taper began closer to the handle, it would lighten it up, but wouldn't take it to even 26 ounces I'm sure. I have KLO (forgive me:o) which is 17 inches and 23 ounces, IIRC. Maybe the kamis need to try that same flat grind design, though forged of course, on the B-43 profile at about 17 inches. The Farm Knife appears to have that type of forge, so it should be possible. It should result in a khuk close to the original. I'd buy one quick like;). In the mean time, I love the HIs I have and they fit my needs pretty well. Take care and God bless.
 
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My MKII's run about 17.5 inches overall but all have a 13" blades. Handle sizes vary between 4.5 and 5".

With that in mind it makes sence to increase the size of the handle to 5.5 - 6 inches for the bigger western hand and then compensate for that increased handle weight by increasing the blade size by the same half inch. This would restore the balance as much as possible without getting a rocket scientist into the mix.

I think you have to stay with the basic principle that the handle is 1/3 the overall size. Any more than that and it no longer has the character, balance and feel of a MKII.

I also think that the tapering is a big issue. Rarely do you see a kukri made today with an even gradual taper like the old ones. Now they are kept big until the last inch and then they just grind or file it to a point. It is definately not done by the hammer like the old ones. In the case of the old MKII's, the taper is done evenly from bolster to tip but also tapered evenly from the spine to the edge bevel. It is actually very much like the "other brand" kukri you mentioned except that it is expertly done by hand & hammer on the MKII and done by a machine for the other brand.

As a matter of fact the perfectly machined taper of "the other brand" actually doesn't help its performance, it hurts. It allows the blade to get stuck sometimes because it forms an almost perfect wedge. On the MKII, the imperfections in the taper caused by the hammer works like a fuller or a hollow grind and allows for open spaces that help the blade not stick. Its perfection I tell ya!!!

Bill
Virginia
 
Bill, that KLO has nice balance, but feels like a sharpened piece of metal. Which it is:). HI owners know what I mean. It's just not the same. I'd like to see the kamis make something with those numbers, but with HI soul. I know they could get close. That 16.5 inch WWII in 20 ounces from the DOTD shows they can lighten the load considerably. A special order request could answer the question. Maybe when the tax money comes back home:). Take care.
 
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