M2 Review

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I finished a home made M2 steel blade today and tested it for toughness, and a little edge holding. The blade was ground from a mechanical hacksaw blade sent courtesy of Sodak here on BFC. The blade shape is straight backed with about a 5" radius up to the tip. I think thats about the radius on the dinner plate I used to trace the sweep from the straight portion of the edge up to the tip. The edge is ground at about 15 degrees, convex from the full thickness. Think of a puukko with a 3/8" wide convex bevel on 1/16 stock. The handle and blade are both ~5" each.

Wear resistance is impressive. It took about an hour and two 24 grit belts on a 1x30 sander to put the bevel on it, and that was bearing against the platen. The convexing came with the 120, 180, and 220 grit belts used for polishing/sharpening. The edge was finished on a 1x30 leather belt after the 220 grit convexing. One of the sharpest blades I've ever done off the sander. Shaved hair a full 1/4" inch above the skin, maybe more.

Now for the toughness testing. I've been rereading Wayne Goddards first book, The Wonder of Knifemaking. A very good read for the beginning knife maker or, in my case, wannabe. One test he mentions is the floor drop test. A maker he met tested an O1 blade at 64 HRc and it broke into 4 pieces after dropping onto a concrete floor. I figured what the heck, I'll give it a try. 6' drop onto the point and onto the flat of the blade produced some scratching of the tip and a small chip, but no fracture. Then came the throwing test. I missed my target, a cardboard box, and hit a 2' diameter circular saw blade in the garage, tip first. The tip broke after this, but the portion lost was less than 1/16", equivalent to the damage done by a careless pass on the 120 grit belt during grinding/sharpening. Still no catastrophic fracture though. Impressive, considering these blades test to 64.5-66 HRc for hardness. The drops onto the flat didnt have any noticable results. I then split a 20 oz. soda bottle through the bottom with nothing more than glue from the label noticable on the blade.

There is about a 4" portion of the straight edge that I can do edge holding testing on, provided my sander still works. It was making a horrible racket during the last steps of sharpening. I want to resharpen fully before testing edge retention, since what is now the edge used to be the tooth side of the blade, and has seen some personal time with a 4" grinder to remove the teeth.

Next on the list, an M2 Bowie and Santoku, Pohan Leu style, from a 1/8" x 24" blade I have left over.
 
Your experiences seem to agree with my experience of M2 (as far as use goes).

My favorite attribute of the steel is that it sharpens to a crisp edge without the fuss of more common stainless steels. It may take time, but the edge is worth it.

Must be nice to make your own knives. I've debated giving it a serious try myself.
 
Dont use "serious" and "try" in the same sentence regarding this knife. It looks awful. The grinds are uneven, there are scratches from my hands' inability to put things against the platen the way I tell them, and the angle of sharpening at the tip is pretty crooked, something I do often if I'm not really careful. I cant help but think, after throwing this thing 10' and hitting another piece of steel, that the issues of brittleness on very hard steels are somewhat over stated. A piece of this M2 blade was tested to see if I could use a punch to make a hole for handle scales. After 5 good swats with a 2.5 lb hammer onto a 3/16 punch, the piece finally cracked. No hole, just cracked into about 5 pieces. They showed a nice fine grain after breaking. I've done the same drop test to 1095 kiridashi, hardened, frozen, and tempered at 325 F for 1 hour. These had less damage, and were heavier, made from 3/32 stock. I read the issue Bark River had about dropping a high hardness A2 blade and having it break. It would be a huge coincidence, but maybe the O1 and A2 blades tested so were not tempered by accident. Thats the only time I've ever had a knife take more that just tip damage from being dropped. It was 1095, over heated, and dropped from 2' after cracking in the quench. It did shatter into 4 peices from a drop onto concrete.
 
Very cool! Reading your post and seeing UDTJim's knife has got me grinding again. I'm using an angle grinder to rough in the shape, but I might have to break down and buy a real grinder. This stuff is tough...

Sounds like you did a great job, congratulations! I'm sure it will be a great edge holder.

I'm not screwing around, just going to epoxy the handles and hope for the best... :D
 
If you have access to a sandblaster, blast the handle area first. That will greatly improve the adhesion. I havent seen UDTJims knife. Where is it? An angle grinder is definately the way to go for roughing.
 
I fixed the broken tip and made a clip point. I'm in the process of thinning the bevel again, since I forgot to adjust my belt sander when finishing the first one. I have no idea what the final angle will be, but the bevel will be pushing 1/2" wide, convex, on 1/16 stock. I need more course belts to finish though. The handle is glued on and partially shaped, and is a slotted, half width, full tang held on with epoxy. Not what I would use for a guaranteed no break grip, but it will have to do until I figure out how to drill holed in this stuff or perfect my stick tangs more than the last one I tried. In the spirit of puukkos, it will be a simple wood handle, though I'll put a small guard in the shape I think.
 
I of course like benchmades M2 at 60-62 RC but M2 really comes into it's own at higher hardness like @ RC65. It's no chopper but it's not as brittle as some would think. I really like most high speed steels. Joe
 
I dont think I can post pics, since I dont have a paying membership. I won't have pics until its done anyway. The handle still needs work, as I'm still deciding on the final shape.
 
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