M2 steel with 420 stainless laminate?

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Has anyone thought of making something of the sort? Making a 1/16" M2 with 1/16" 420 on both sides. I think it would be cheap enough for manufacturers to produce and be very appealing to people.:cool:

What do u think?
 
Just get a Fallkniven - VG-10 and 420 - works very well !!!
 
VG-10 will take a pretty high Rc, and a lot of those laminates of VG-10 will hold an edge as well as a high Rc M2, plus you don't have to worry about the rust issue.

For my M2 knives, I find the black coating a little annoying, and see where you are going with the 420 laminate, but like I said, I think this is easily solved with what's already available.

I'd like to see what others think on this subject. Maybe I'm missing the point.

Daniel
 
VG-10 vs M2 is like a house cat vs a mountain lion. They are both cats but beyond that there is little similarity. M2 is a high hardness, high wear, high edge stable tool steel. VG-10 in comparion is a much more coarse stainless steel. There are laminates similar to what is noted, the Japanese use them where they laminate mild steel and such to 1.5% W1 and similar steels.

-Cliff
 
I was thinking about max edge holding and toughness with little less maintenance. The Japanese made sandwiched blades... do they use stainless for the sides?

P.S. I currently own 4 Fallknivens... being a knife nut I just wonder if there is something better while staying off custom pieces.
 
One of the difficulties in laminating blades is the two steels will have to be heat-treated the same way. That limits what steels you can use together. I don't know if M2 & 420 could work together but in general whatever your fantasy choices are, they won't work.
 
Nimravus Nut said:
The Japanese made sandwiched blades... do they use stainless for the sides?
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Some Japanese-made laminates use stainless, others use wrought iron, still others use any combination of metals that makes a right purdy damascene pattern.

M2 is one of my favorite blade steels, but I think the high levels of molybdenum and tungsten ("Teeming with tungsten: M2 satisfies!") make its heat-treatment a little difficult for laminates.

Would you be willing to seek out knives a little less highly alloyed than M2, but still threaten to take very narrow edges and hold them? If so, Mr. Shinichi Watanabe, Mr. Shosui Takeda, and Mr. Murray Carter may have what you're looking for. Don't want to pay more than a VG-10 Delica? Then check out the folding kiradashi style pocketknives at Japan Woodworker or the folding shop knives at that same store and Lee Valley.

While having a larger carbide fraction volume than M2, ZDP-189 and SG-2 are wunnerful wunnerful folder steels and you can get laminate version of those steels from Kershaw and Spyderco.
 
Cougar Allen said:
One of the difficulties in laminating blades is the two steels will have to be heat-treated the same way. That limits what steels you can use together.
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Be like the japanese, ignore the heat treatment of the laminate. They can use mild steel or even just wrough iron.

thombrogan said:
Would you be willing to seek out knives a little less highly alloyed than M2...
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Run for cover if Alvin heard that.

-Cliff
 
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