Magnussen's not the only loopy thing here

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The next knot I want to address is the loop - both at the end of the rope and in the middle.

Probably the most well known end loop is the Bowline.

It's a fairly secure knot, easily tied, actually can be tied in a variety of ways, depending on the application. Also it's easier to untie after being loaded, than some of the other common loop knots.

One application, mentioned in another thread, is as a rescue loop - the one-handed Bowline. With a little practice, this is a very fast way to tie it. Picture being in the water and somebody throws you a rope. Grab the rope, up a ways from the end, with your left hand (assuming your right handed), tie the knot with your right hand below where your left hand is attached (no tension on the part you're tying.)

If you want to tie a Bowline around an anchor point, try the Spilled Hitch Bowline.

Want something a little more secure? There's a few ways to accomplish this - one way is to half hitch the end around part of the loop, or, tie a Double Bowline. Budworth says that the Double Bowline is 70 to 75% stronger and more secure than the Single Bowline.

Another specialty Bowline, I guess you could say, is the Water Bowline. Its claim to fame is it's less likely to jam when it's wet, say when using it around canoes, etc.

And the last end loop I want to mention is for our troublesome friend, Bungee cord. This knot is called the Angler Loop or Perfection Loop.

I guess I should mention that there are a ton of other end-loop knots - these are just the ones that I use and practice.



(The '(k)not-in-the-end' loops are in the next post.)

 

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Now for '(k)not-at-the-end' loops

A knot I practice (and use) regularly is the Bowline in a Bight. This is a great knot when you need a double loop in bight. Another useful feature is that one loop's size relevant to the other is easily adjusted. I use this in a particular snare trigger which I will discuss at a later date.

You will notice that there is a common strand to both loops running through the knotted part. You can adjust the size of the loops by moving this strand.



Another mid-rope loop and my favourite is the Single Lineman's Loop (AKA Alpine Butterfly Loop?) This is easy to tie and easy to untie, even after it has been loaded.

The other thing is that with just another quick motion or two, you can make a Double Lineman's Loop.

While checking out a few knots mentioned by dantzk8, I found a slightly different way to tie the Single Lineman's, that can easily be modified to tie a double and a triple, seen here. Scan down to #4.

Once again, there are other mid-line loops, but these are the ones I use.

Doc

 

[mete]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010...cientists-create-knots-light/?test=latestnews

You guys are definitely out of the loop !! You better get a degree in physics before you start knot tying !

 

[Carolina River Rat]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010...cientists-create-knots-light/?test=latestnews

You guys are definitely out of the loop !! You better get a degree in physics before you start knot tying !

:grumpy:Knots are confusing enough without you introducing us to light waves and theoretical physics.

 

[Joezilla]

The bow line is a good knot for hammocks with thick rope. THanks for the post Doc!!!

 

[Rick Marchand]

Good stuff Doc..... I'll take the title as a sign of friendship.:thumbup:


Rick

 

[Calebklyne]

all these knot threads make me think we should have a sticky knot and rope related thread

 

[dantzk8]

Doc,

Great loops review! An other interesting one is based on the Carrick knot. I don't do it like shown by Ashley (#1033), i prefer begin like shown in #1439. After the first loop i use the working end to make a bight and go back to the first loop to process like if i was making a Carrick bend.

Strong, doesn't jam, easy to untie. May look a bit tricky in a first time but the effort to memorize it is worthwhile.

dantzk.

 

[DOC-CANADA]

Doc,

Great loops review! An other interesting one is based on the Carrick knot. I don't do it like shown by Ashley (#1033), i prefer begin like shown in #1439. After the first loop i use the working end to make a bight and go back to the first loop to process like if i was making a Carrick bend.

Strong, doesn't jam, easy to untie. May look a bit tricky in a first time but the effort to memorize it is worthwhile.

dantzk.

Thanks dantzk.

I never tied the Carrick loop before you mentioned it in the other thread, so I just learned to tie it like #1033. I found it interesting because of how similar it is to a Bowline, and because of that, I found it easy to tie.

I can't yet picture how you tie the Carrick Loop (any pictures?). Does it end up the same knot as #1033?

Doc

 

[dantzk8]

Thanks dantzk.

I never tied the Carrick loop before you mentioned it in the other thread, so I just learned to tie it like #1033. I found it interesting because of how similar it is to a Bowline, and because of that, I found it easy to tie.

I can't yet picture how you tie the Carrick Loop (any pictures?). Does it end up the same knot as #1033?

Doc

Doc,

Here's on left the Carrick loop as described by Ashley (#1033) and on right the knot as i'm used to do it:



You have noticed the similarity of the #1033 with the bowline and for me it differs from the "true" Carrick, i would even say that it's more of a bowline than of a Carrick. By the way, Ashley himself in his comments, says that #1033 is made like a "wrong" Carrick knot.

The bowline and the Carrick are two very different knots and it's amazing to find with the #1033 a meeting point. In my opinion the two loops perform both very well. I keep on making it this way because the Carrick is a bit tricky and i want to remember the right way to make it. Any variation in it's structure decreases drastically the reliability of this particular knot. From #1040 to #1045 Ashley is very critical with the so said Carrick knots.

It may sound a bit rigid isn't ? But you will agree: knot making is a serious thing.

dantzk.

 

[DOC-CANADA]

Good stuff Doc..... I'll take the title as a sign of friendship.:thumbup:

Rick

It could be nothing else! :thumbup:

Doc,

Here's on left the Carrick loop as described by Ashley (#1033) and on right the knot as i'm used to do it:

You have noticed the similarity of the #1033 with the bowline and for me it differs from the "true" Carrick, i would even say that it's more of a bowline than of a Carrick. By the way, Ashley himself in his comments, says that #1033 is made like a "wrong" Carrick knot. Lol, in my version, it says, "The CARRICK LOOP has the same formation as one of the so-called single CARRICK BENDS. It is easy to untie, but it has no advantages over others that are simpler."

Nice picture, thank you for that. I have copied it to my desktop so I can play with it a bit.

The bowline and the Carrick are two very different knots and it's amazing to find with the #1033 a meeting point. In my opinion the two loops perform both very well. I keep on making it this way because the Carrick is a bit tricky and i want to remember the right way to make it. Any variation in it's structure decreases drastically the reliability of this particular knot. From #1040 to #1045 Ashley is very critical with the so said Carrick knots. Not so in my version. I should mention that mine is the Ashley Book of Knots, put out by Coles, but I don't think there's any difference compared to the non-Coles version. I learned the Carrick Bend a long time ago, and have practiced it for a long time, so, basically, I just let my hands do it - I guess it's a muscle memory kind of thing.

It may sound a bit rigid isn't ? But you will agree: knot making is a serious thing. Serious, yes, but fun and interesting too! :thumbup:

dantzk.

Doc

 

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Got it! So you make the first loop exactly the way Ashley (and I) make the Carrick Bend (leaving a longer than normal working end), but instead of tying in the second cord, you use the working end as the second cord.

I find it more awkward to tie than the 'Bowline' version, so far, but that may change with practice.

Doc

 

[dantzk8]

Got it! So you make the first loop exactly the way Ashley (and I) make the Carrick Bend (leaving a longer than normal working end), but instead of tying in the second cord, you use the working end as the second cord.

Exactly!

I find it more awkward to tie than the 'Bowline' version, so far, but that may change with practice.

Since yesterday i've made several times the two versions and i now wonder if i don't have put a useless complication in the making. It's good to try but simpler is always better.

dantzk.