I'm fielding the idea to make autos legal to carry, own, and purchase in all states if the individual is over 21. I think if a law such as this were presented alongside the fact that concealed handgun carry is legal in all states, and the legal age to purchase a handgun is also 21, then it could be seen as an appealing solution to the problem of complex and restrictive laws concerning automatic knives. Whether you're for or against concealed handgun carry, it's undeniable that crimes committed with automatic knives are orders of magnitude fewer than crimes committed with handguns, if they occur at all. These facts could make a good case for the law to be passed. Any thoughts on the plausibility of a new set of laws making autos legal in the same way as handguns currently are, with the age minimum at 21?
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Make autos 21+?
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Federal regulation of CCW is the last thing I, or anyone else who knows about CCW, wants to see happen. So, in short, no thanks.
Sure, it would be nice to see the archaic Switchblade Act repealed, but it's barely enforced anyway and the general trend among states is reducing restrictions on autos in the last few years without anything age-specific in the legislation. Off the top of my head, NJ is the only state I can think of with age-based knife laws.
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All of the below is simply my opinions and the caveat, IANAL, applies.
Any precedent of allowing the government to "give" us the right to own an auto opens the door to them denying us the same right when governments change hands and new anti-anything folks get in. I also believe that any attempt to pass a nationwide law would be counter-productive to state-by-state changes.
The current "legal to own" auto state count is 33-1/2 states, with 2 illegal to own states having curio exemptions (PA and MT) although some others have length or curio-only restrictions. The give half-a-state status to Montana, which makes <1.5 inch blades legal and allows curio exemptions.
Source : http://weaponlaws.wikidot.com/us-switchblade-laws put together by our very own Glistam.
17 states and DC currently make auto-ownership illegal. The current trend is for more states to allow ownership and carry of switchblades and I believe that the legal to own list will be lengthened in the next couple of years.
Will all states make autos legal? Probably not. Not when some states/legal entities like NJ and DC keep trying to restrict gun and knife ownership even further.
Any precedent of allowing the government to "give" us the right to own an auto opens the door to them denying us the same right when governments change hands and new anti-anything folks get in. I also believe that any attempt to pass a nationwide law would be counter-productive to state-by-state changes.
The current "legal to own" auto state count is 33-1/2 states, with 2 illegal to own states having curio exemptions (PA and MT) although some others have length or curio-only restrictions. The give half-a-state status to Montana, which makes <1.5 inch blades legal and allows curio exemptions.
Source : http://weaponlaws.wikidot.com/us-switchblade-laws put together by our very own Glistam.
17 states and DC currently make auto-ownership illegal. The current trend is for more states to allow ownership and carry of switchblades and I believe that the legal to own list will be lengthened in the next couple of years.
Will all states make autos legal? Probably not. Not when some states/legal entities like NJ and DC keep trying to restrict gun and knife ownership even further.
:thumbup:Thanks man.
Along the same line, I have had to update the site repeatedly over the past 2 years. We're absolutely making progress.
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The requirement that we be 21 to carry a handgun in most states is already unconstitutional. Gungrabbers always use the militia claus as a reason for us to not have guns but under federal law all males between the ages of 17 and 45 are in the militia. Therefore any age restrictions on firearms, knives, batons, etc, should be a maximum of 17
This is so wrong I don't even know where to start...but I'll try.
The requirement that we be 21 to carry a handgun in most states is already unconstitutional.
No court has ever ruled that way.
Gungrabbers always use the militia claus as a reason for us to not have guns but under federal law all males between the ages of 17 and 45 are in the militia.
No such law exists, this isn't Switzerland.
Therefore any age restrictions on firearms, knives, batons, etc, should be a maximum of 17
No.
Going beyond the vague language of the 2A, many states guarantee a right to keep and bear arms, but also allow for legislative restrictions in the interest of order and safety. For example, the Texas state constitution provides a right to keep and bear arms, then states that the legislature "shall have the power to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime." This is why we require a CHL (issued by the state) to carry a concealed handgun and also why open carry carry of pistols is (thankfully) illegal.
The second amendment absolutist argument is as thin and based on as much selective interpretation as the argument made by the other side that the right to keep and bear arms applies only to militias (which we mostly know today as state national guards). But hey, that's why we have courts and people like my colleagues to argue about things like this.
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Title 10, subtitle A, Part I, Chapter 13, Section 311 of federal law.
a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
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Just because a law is old doesn't make it not applicable.
That is true, however the militia argument is going to get no one anywhere they want to be.
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Personally, all knife restrictions have always rubbed me the wrong way. In my opinion, the right to bear arms applies to knives as well as firearms. With that in mind, anybody who's an adult legal citizen (18+) should be able to carry pretty much any knife they want. Not sure where you're getting 21 for autos; just because that's the handgun - buying age in most states (as far as I'm aware)?
I don't feel a 19 year old would be any less responsible with an auto than a 21 year old. I also heavily disagree with this country's drinking age, but that's another topic.
Luckily my state has extremely lax knife laws, and I used to carry a switchblade in my back pocket throughout my adolescent years, which had been found and returned by more than a couple (knife - friendly) police officers. Even at the tender age of 12, I was never overcome by the massive destructive power that we all know lies dormant in Full Metal Assault Baby Killing Automatic Blades (FMABKAB as California politicians call them).
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I don't feel a 19 year old would be any less responsible with an auto than a 21 year old. I also heavily disagree with this country's drinking age, but that's another topic.
Luckily my state has extremely lax knife laws, and I used to carry a switchblade in my back pocket throughout my adolescent years, which had been found and returned by more than a couple (knife - friendly) police officers. Even at the tender age of 12, I was never overcome by the massive destructive power that we all know lies dormant in Full Metal Assault Baby Killing Automatic Blades (FMABKAB as California politicians call them).
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Personally, all knife restrictions have always rubbed me the wrong way. In my opinion, the right to bear arms applies to knives as well as firearms. With that in mind, anybody who's an adult legal citizen (18+) should be able to carry pretty much any knife they want. Not sure where you're getting 21 for autos; just because that's the handgun - buying age in most states (as far as I'm aware)?
I don't feel a 19 year old would be any less responsible with an auto than a 21 year old. I also heavily disagree with this country's drinking age, but that's another topic.
Luckily my state has extremely lax knife laws, and I used to carry a switchblade in my back pocket throughout my adolescent years, which had been found and returned by more than a couple (knife - friendly) police officers. Even at the tender age of 12, I was never overcome by the massive destructive power that we all know lies dormant in Full Metal Assault Baby Killing Automatic Blades (FMABKAB as California politicians call them).
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NY and MD pols really are who you mean, at least CA has a decent Republican opposition. In fact, CA life laws are fairly decent (on the state level, carry any size folder concealed and any fixed blade openly AFAIR).
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Really? That's quite interesting actually! The way they try and regulate guns and exhaust systems, I thought fun shiny toys were outright illegal over there!
I was aware of New York though, the state laws there are similar to the local restrictions in Chicago, of which I'm a 20 minute drive from.
I guess I just enjoy hating Cali