Make BeckerHeads a real organization similar to the BSA

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Killing old post and re-writing as to not anger the Becker forum Mods.

Wouldn't it be fun to have an organization similar to the scouts (BSA) that focused more on the Outdoors and Survival skills specifically? Top level could be BeckerHead with other levels in the middle that must be earned. Could use some of the BSA patches instead of designing & printing our own, or something similar. Maybe beads or something for lanyards?

Thoughts?

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I find it ironic that you didn't complete the program but want to indicate their lack of usefulness. I am an Eagle Scout and that fact alone has helped my get jobs as an adult and is still on my resume today. Current problems with any program doesn't negate the quality of people the program has produced in the past nor does it degrade the usefulness of the information learned and used by so many.

I don't necessarily agree with everything they do these days but I was lucky to have great leaders when I was involved, and it taught me a tremendous amount of very useful things at an age when likely no other program could have. I probably learned the most either completing my Eagle Scout project or on a month-long cross country trip to backpack in New Mexico.

Either way, it was a great experience and with the exception of my degree, no other program has been more useful to me. My $0.02.
 
357, many miss the point, but the primary objective of the Boy Scouts is to turn out good people who are good citizens.

The "Outdoor Program" is a method to achieve that primary objective.

How well would you say they did in your case?
 
Just a request to take care here, please. This thread is suspiciously close to a political post disguised as a Becker post.
It can stay if it remains about the Boy Scouts (or Becker variations) and outdoor skills, but if it takes a political turn, it will be locked.

My inclination is simply to lock it down, but I'll see if everyone can play nicely first.
 
I would have to say that I don't feel that the BSA contributed to how I turned out. As I got older, and still today, I am put off by the religious overtones of the packs/troops I was in, all of which were housed in churches.

Question, was anyone here involved in any scout troops that were NOT in a church or affiliated with a church? I am just curious as I have not come across one.
 
I believe it varies from troop to troop. I was in good troops and really crappy, boring troops
 
My main objective here was to start a discussion about having a BeckerHeads foundation similar to the scouts, but more focused on the outdoors and survival, not to start a political discussion, if need be I can revise the first post, which I may just go ahead and do.
Guyon said:
Just a request to take care here, please. This thread is suspiciously close to a political post disguised as a Becker post.
It can stay if it remains about the Boy Scouts (or alternate visions), but if it takes a political turn, it will be locked.
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357survival said:
My main objective here was to start a discussion about having a BeckerHeads foundation similar to the scouts, but more focused on the outdoors and survival, not to start a political discussion, if need be I can revise the first post, which I may just go ahead and do.
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Fair enough. I hope you understand my concerns here though.
Like I said, let's all play well together, folks. Please.
 
I was a Boy Scout years ago. Scoutmaster absconded with the chapter treasury and that ended my exposure to BSA.

Can't say I am particularly pleased with the current road the scouts have taken. I want nothing to do with them in their present mode of operation. :thumbdn: :barf:

And certainly if the Beckerheads become associated in ANY manner with current BSA thinking I will relinquish my Beckerhead membership immediately.

Just the way I feel about it. :(
 
My scout troup as a kid had no affiliation with any church at anytime, wouldn't have cared though, I'm the church going kind.
 
B.S.A. itself is more than a little confusing about the role of religion in its version of Scouting. Official spokesmen have said merely a belief in a spiritual aspect of life is enough. Boards of Review are officially prohibited from asking if a Scout "believes in God" (but may still do so). Buddhists, who do not believe in God, have been officially welcome in B.S.A. Scouting since the 1920's. Other spokesmen say belief in God is "essential." I have never been asked about my beliefs or practices.
 
Man, I had great troops and lousy ones.

I was a life scout and would have LOVED to finish the eagle as well, but that last troop took all the fun out of the program.

If the Beckerhead meetups are like the first troop I was in with awesome post-hurricane canoe trips, debris shelters and home built trebuchets and rope bridges, count me in.
 
The Boy Scout leaders from my area are currently serving life sentences for child molestation and various other charges. They were/are twin brothers who not only molested one of their sons, one of their nephews (at least one), but as many scouts as they could. How I avoided being a victim is a miracle.

Regardless, we did not meet in a church, we had our own building. I actually never made it past Weblo as the two camp outs we went on w/the scouts were not all that pleasant. I didn't know what was going on at the time, but I did feel that things were not right and I dropped out before going to Boy Scouts.
 
Ug, I'm going to make an unrelated post. Buhddists believe in God, just not the Christian version of God.

As a girl growing up I always found the gender exclusiveness of the Boy Scouts frustrating. Girl Scouts were out of the question for me because I wasnt interested in skirts or cookies. I like the idea of a becker scout-ish troop. I think learning outdoor skills, and learning to respect Mother Nature is something all children should learn. Sounds like a great idea. I'm pretty sure all the Beckerhead parents already do this. :)
 
This is a very touchy subject I think, but I'm going to respond to the best of my ability.

There is nothing wrong with Scouting. Nothing. Not one thing. Where the problems come from are the people that are involved with Scouting. The program, the base roots of what we are supposed to be using, that is rock solid. It is however interpreted in all sorts of strange ways by the many different types of peoples who make up our Adult Leaders in the program, and many of them have some pretty radical ideas about just what Scouting means. Over the years Scouting has been subject to many changes, and many distinctions that were not in any way pertinent or relevant to the ideas behind Scouting, but were more directed towards the people running the programs, or to keep the lawyers away due to the overabundance of sue-happy people. The entire program, as a whole, because of these things is not what it should be. It isn't. I've seen failures grow exponentially as positions come closer and closer to the top, all the way up to the national level. That being said, the program itself put forth by Lord Baden Powell is as close as you can get to a perfect framework on how to turn young boys into young men in a way that will improve their ability to benefit society as well as their own lives while also giving them a real sense of what it means to be an outdoorsman and how great of a thing that can be.

That said, what you are proposing is going to require quite a large expenditure of time, money, and resources, and while I am sure Ethan would love to have his name on something else, I don't know that it is feasible, nor worth the effort. It would take decades for such an endeavor to even be recognized, and that is only with the success of such a venture. Not going to say it can't be done, but that the logistics are mind boggling at best, and downright treacherous at worst. It's an idea, but I don't think it is going to gain much ground.
 
Bad decision on my part to let this one ride. Live and learn. Thread closed.
 
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