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Well, taps and dies are cutting tools, so... what the hell...

I'm interested in cutting threads into wood at a diameter of about 2.5 inches at about 4 TPI. The problems: a tap and die set for wood in this size costs around $1,300. Once I get a functioning tap, I can then make a die from wood and some HSS for cutters. So, the die... A die for metal of about the right size and pitch (M64x6) is only slightly cheaper than the wood tap and die set. Taps can be made from bolts by way of an angle grinder, but going that route would put me back around $500 to $700 for a single bolt. I'm really not up to making a tap of the sort that resembles a gunsmithing jig for cutting rifling. So, what else is there?
 
Lathe.
Find a shop or a buddy that has what you need and get them to do it.
 
Maybe a router jig similar to what is shown in the video below could work for you if the threads you need to cut are not too long.


There is a ready made router jig by the Beall company for cutting male threads that comes with taps for the female threads, but the biggest size is 1". This type of jig with a V-bit can cut longer threaded rod, but I think you have to cut full depth in a single pass because the pitch is set by a nut that engages the newly cut thread and pulls the dowel past the router while rotating it. The jig from the video could be adapted to cut longer male threads by turning the router ninety degrees and using a V-bit. You would probably have to add some sort of steady rest on the outfeed to keep the rod from wobbling too much.

Another option for the female threads might be a CNC router.

There is also the method of using a wooden tap with an adjustable tool bit. The pitch is controlled either by a thread or groove in the tap, or by gluing and pinning an acme rod with the correct pitch to the tap. The video below shows one implementation of this method. A similar jig with a tool bit can be made to cut the male threads as well. I recall seeing a video with a clever jig that combined the two functions a few years ago, but I cannot find it at the moment.


If you only have to make a few parts, it's probably best to have somebody with a lathe cut the threads like A.McPherson A.McPherson 's said.
 
looks like you need a nut/bolt combo..
im pretty sure that could easily cut threads into wood..
you could also use a pipe cutter with a 60 degree insert to cut threads into the wood shaft..
 
I have a M72x3 bolt but it's left handed. You're welcome to it if that would work and you don't mind paying shipping.
 
looks like you need a nut/bolt combo..
im pretty sure that could easily cut threads into wood..
you could also use a pipe cutter with a 60 degree insert to cut threads into the wood shaft..

As I pointed out, even just the bolt would be extremely costly to buy and to ship. I don't need the nut because 1) a die in the style for tapping metal rods isn't ideal and 2) the die can be fabricated by tapping a hole in a piece of wood and mounting at least two chisels shaped to cut the male threads.

A description of this is at https://diegodeassis.wordpress.com/, but is written in Portuguese.
 
it looks like all the info you need is there.. i had to google translate as my Portuguese is not very good.
it says Use a Bolt as the tap, cut 4 slits into it for it to cut threads into the wood.
the die is linked above and it looks like you need a blade made for that like a v shapped carving chisel.. no big deal to make /buy.
where are you that these "Simple" things like nuts/bolts are so hard to find??
 
Well, taps and dies are cutting tools, so... what the hell...

I'm interested in cutting threads into wood at a diameter of about 2.5 inches at about 4 TPI. The problems: a tap and die set for wood in this size costs around $1,300. Once I get a functioning tap, I can then make a die from wood and some HSS for cutters. So, the die... A die for metal of about the right size and pitch (M64x6) is only slightly cheaper than the wood tap and die set. Taps can be made from bolts by way of an angle grinder, but going that route would put me back around $500 to $700 for a single bolt. I'm really not up to making a tap of the sort that resembles a gunsmithing jig for cutting rifling. So, what else is there?

These large screws are generally cut threads ( like with a router) and not done with a tap box. 2 1/2 inches of diameter and a 3 TPI thread is sort of typical for a woodworking bench.

In the old days, they were generally 90 degree triangular threads instead of the 60 degree threads you often see in drill rod, etc. That said, i bought a professionally made screw with a modified pattern - 60 degree threads, but flat topped so that when a woodworker drops something out of their vise, it doesn't just break the tips of the threads off. It works very well.

I haven't used a tap of that type bigger than 1 1/2", but I have taps of that size that are chinese and for all of the griping that you can find about them, their only real flaw is that they're not sharp when delivered, and that all are 6 tpi.

But for really big threads like that, I would use some kind of jig and a router bit that's fresh and sharp so that they're cut cleanly, and design something to turn the dowel - even if it means buying a length of threaded wood that's usable to advance your blank.

Historically, really large threads were often sawn or carved, or sawn and then cleaned up. I'm guessing they were done that way instead of with a giant tap box because there is less breaking out and as long as you can mark them reasonably well, you can cut well - but that assumes the maker does have the hand skill to cut accurately or carve accurately. this would've been a common skill 200 years ago, but not so common now.

Sorry I don't have a better picture of the bench and screw, but you can see where the screw resides within this vise. I was worried about strength, but I was wrong about that - the holding strength is nothing less than spectacular and the thread pitch (3) makes it usable without any other gadgetry - as in not that many turns to open or close what you're working on.




once you have the threaded rod, you could segment a piece of it, taper it and install progressive cutters to cut a holding nut or threads in whatever you make. there needs to be some room for movement as it's wood and it does move seasonally and will seize when it's humid if it's too tight.
 
it looks like all the info you need is there.. i had to google translate as my Portuguese is not very good.
it says Use a Bolt as the tap, cut 4 slits into it for it to cut threads into the wood.
the die is linked above and it looks like you need a blade made for that like a v shapped carving chisel.. no big deal to make /buy.
where are you that these "Simple" things like nuts/bolts are so hard to find??

Oh, I can easily find ordinary bolts. It's just that one 2.5" across (or m64x6) for making into a die that is hard to find. I should have also posted that Diego's work was translated to English and posted to wkfinetools.com (gone 404 and now at https://web.archive.org/web/2013011...s.com/contrib/dAssis/art/TapDie/TapDie-01.asp). Since archive.org didn't get all the images, I compared that with Diego's Wordpress site and got the pictures where they need to go.

The only place I've seen selling taps and dies for wood going up to 2.5-ish inches is https://www.fine-tools.com/gewind.html and they are very expensive across the board.
 
Oh, I can easily find ordinary bolts. It's just that one 2.5" across (or m64x6) for making into a die that is hard to find. I should have also posted that Diego's work was translated to English and posted to wkfinetools.com (gone 404 and now at https://web.archive.org/web/2013011...s.com/contrib/dAssis/art/TapDie/TapDie-01.asp). Since archive.org didn't get all the images, I compared that with Diego's Wordpress site and got the pictures where they need to go.

The only place I've seen selling taps and dies for wood going up to 2.5-ish inches is https://www.fine-tools.com/gewind.html and they are very expensive across the board.

that set of large thread taps has been around for a long time, and I've never seen anyone else offering anything of that size that's good quality. It's also always been expensive, and before the internet, you could sometimes find them used for not that much. If someone ever sells one on ebay or something like that now, though, there's so much exposure that I doubt you'd find one cheap.

If you're looking to make large threads only once, this may not make sense - but if that's not the case, you could get on etsy and buy any one of the nut and rod sets that are made for a woodworking vise for about $200 and use them as a template.

And then just resell them when you're done. If you couldn't find a buyer (for the original) at 3/4ths of new on ebay, I'd be surprised.
 
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