Mammoth question

Anarchy84

Anarchy84

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Greetings!

I see reports online that mammoth has been discontinued by CRK (both bark and ivory), however some of these reports date back to 2012. Obviously they've continued to make mammoth scales since then, but there are some very recent reports that CRK decided to discontinue using mammoth.

Are they discontinued for now due to a shortage in material, or have they decided to stop making them for good?

Thanks!
 
As far as I know it is for good, but they can always change their mind if they want to. There was a lapse after their announcement where they filled orders they already had, but didn't take new orders.
Someone here once wrote that the dealers offered to supply the mammoth if CRK would continue making them and were turned down. I don't know for sure but that is what I read here. Not really sure how the new ivory laws play into this either.
 
From what I understand, the ban on mammoth depleted all sources in the U.S. . CRK made them until material ran out.
I don't know if anyone here in the states has access to any type of mammoth bark or ivory
 
It was a decision to stop making them. One dealer I know of even offered to supply the materials to make some more but they refused to even do it as an exclusive. Its just getting hard for makers to use even mammoth ivory these days.
 
I agree on it being about the ivory laws. Yeah, mammoth was extinct 10, 000 years ago, but tell our politicians that. From what I've heard, CRK kept some for warranty work, etc, but will no longer produce mammoth once their stockpile is depleted.
 
The challenge is that true ivory is being sold now as mammoth or fossil ivory, so it becomes another threat on the dwindling population of elephants. Faced with the likelyhood of the extinction of elephants in our lifetime, I agree with the ban. If it helps at all to make sure my children can live on a planet where there are still elephants, I am ok with missing out on a CRK inlay material. Bravo CRK for respecting the ban. I think it shows them to be good corporate citizens, and in tune with their South African heritage. If we could convince the world, especially the Chinese, that Ivory is not a "precious" commodity, the world would be a better place for sure.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5631782
 
In your effort to find the truth about elephant ivory you may want to dig a bit deeper than the Huffington Post for the truth on the ivory trade and saving the elephant. The demand for ivory, like the drug trade, is as old as the history of man. The demand will always be there and it has actually grown since the ban. What the ban brought to the table is the destruction of archeological sights in Siberia as the warming climate exposes more Mammoth and sites of prehistoric civilization. And unless countries like China stop the widespread sale of elephant ivory it's highly unlikely to stop the flow of ivory, elephant or mammoth, anymore than the war on drugs (there's a joke for you) has slowed down (let alone stopped) the flow of heroin or cocaine. Sadly you aren't going to save the elephant with a ban on ivory.

http://www.earthisland.org/journal/...ohibiting_trade_in_ivory_wont_save_elephants/

http://voices.nationalgeographic.co...could-decide-the-future-of-africas-elephants/

http://voices.nationalgeographic.co...could-decide-the-future-of-africas-elephants/
 
? Does the new US Ivory ban law specifically ban Mammoth ivory. I know some of the state bans do, but have been having a little trouble determining if the US ban does.
 
Ghostwalker54 said:
In your effort to find the truth about elephant ivory you may want to dig a bit deeper than the Huffington Post for the truth on the ivory trade and saving the elephant.
Click to expand...

Ummm, thanks for implying my entire knowledge on the subject is based on a single huffington post article. Sheesh.

The truth is you can mine the Internet for any number of opinions to help argue just about any point. My gut feel, regardless of how many huffington post articles I read, is that the situation is dire, and action, of any sort, is more important than some pricey knife handle. I am sure the Chinese can find articles saying that Ivory chopsticks are helping the elephants survive.
 
Kidcongo, I didn't imply anything. And those "opinions" are based on people who have studied the problem for years. The issue with the ivory trade still remains just as has since the ban. It's a bit like guns here in the U.S. Every time they talk ban prices and demand go up.

There isn't a Federal ban on Mammoth ivory. Dan Chinnock still makes 1911 grips (he and others also went to Washington D.C. to petition against the ban due to the afore mentioned reasons) as well as Boone Trading Co, Sarge's Grips and others. And all the ban did was drive up prices and increase demand.
 
This is a reply from Heather (CRK) from July 2014 to my email, asking about news I heard that CRK will stop using mammoth ivory:

"Stefan,
Thank you for your email. You heard correctly in that we are no longer taking orders on Mammoth Ivory or Mammoth Bark. It is getting harder to source and the laws are becoming more restrictive regarding the sale and use of it."

So far I haven't heard that they changed this policy.

Best,
 
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