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"Man Fends Off Coyote, Saves Dog"
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I know what scares me most about the story - a coyote that displays no fear of man, none whatsoever. If I lived around there I would keep my varmint rifle behind the door - the only way man and coyotes can coexist is that the coyotes maintain their fear and run like hell whenever they see a human. Maybe that one will regain his healthy fear of man (I know that I would avoid that old codger if he bopped me with his flashlight 
) otherwise it needs to be put down.
) otherwise it needs to be put down.
The explanation mostly given for coyotes beginning to show up in suburbia is the encroachment of humans into the coyotes' former hunting territories. Basically, the "housing boom" might be great for real estate developers and speculators, but, it's terrible for the coyote and other wildlife.mycroftt said:I know what scares me most about the story - a coyote that displays no fear of man, none whatsoever. If I lived around there I would keep my varmint rifle behind the door - the only way man and coyotes can coexist is that the coyotes maintain their fear and run like hell whenever they see a human. Maybe that one will regain his healthy fear of man (I know that I would avoid that old codger if he bopped me with his flashlight
Perhaps we're reaching an urban sprawl versus wildlife "tipping point," and the coyotes have lost their fear of humans because hunger overrides many instincts...? It could be that coyotes have, by necessity, lost their fear of humans, and now, humans coming in, along with their trash and pets, have become a staple of the coyotes' diet...?
GeoThorn
geothorn said:
Maybe, but Croton-on-Hudson has been there for a long time so it's not likely that the people are moving into the coyotes' territory, but more likely that the coyotes are infiltrating into long-established neighborhoods.
I've never been a fan of "If it moves, shoot it" but removing the less timid individuals from the breeding population might create an adaptive advantage to timidity. I would much prefer to live with a population of coyotes who run at the sight of man than one that is composed of individuals who are willing to fight a child for an ice cream cone.
You've made some very good points. It may eventually have to come down to "shoot on sight" orders for coyotes, one day.mycroftt said:
In my state, we have too many whitetail deer, and they cause many motor vehicle deaths during the year, by their crossing roads, usually during the rutting season. A couple of/few years ago, we had hunting tags and licenses that allowed the culling of the deer population by allowing one buck and four females to be taken, per hunter, per deer season. Now the licenses allow only three deer to be taken.
I've read that coyotes have a relatively large hunting territory. Perhaps a new neighborhood is being built, 30- 40- or even 50-miles away from Croton-on-Hudson, and that specific coyote has had to shift his hunting territory, correspondingly...?
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I grew up in Colorado, as well as hiking all over the western US and that was my experience as well. I also remember that coyotes were not very large.
I now live on the border of conservation land, and more than once have seen coyotes so much larger than those I remember that I thought I was imagining things--the size of a very large german shepherd. These are coyotes, they are definately that big, and some of them show no particular fear of man (at least me).
My toddler children are not left outside alone. Not for one minute.
I now live on the border of conservation land, and more than once have seen coyotes so much larger than those I remember that I thought I was imagining things--the size of a very large german shepherd. These are coyotes, they are definately that big, and some of them show no particular fear of man (at least me).
My toddler children are not left outside alone. Not for one minute.
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I grew up in the middle of the woods and we went though cycles of rabbits and coyotes (not at the same time
), On one hunting trip after it got too dark to see I was starting down my tree as 4 coyotes walked up. They didn't seem near as scared as I was till I fired a shot. One coyote may be afraid, but a pack isn't.
), On one hunting trip after it got too dark to see I was starting down my tree as 4 coyotes walked up. They didn't seem near as scared as I was till I fired a shot. One coyote may be afraid, but a pack isn't.
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Coyotes are extremely adaptive !! How do you think they survived all the attempts to exterminate them ?? Coyotes hunt individually for small animals and in packs for larger ones like deer. Here we don't have the problem of feral cats and dogs like we used to thanks to the coyote.
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My family lived in Ardsley and Scarsdale and Tarrytown, not far from Croton-on-Hudson. The entire area is densely built up and has been for years. IF that was a coyote and not a small feral dog, it wandered a long way from home, and may have other problems that led to its lack of apparent fear.
Westechester County does have fairly extensive wooded areas, easy to get from one to another. So a wild animal can move through the area. A breeding population might be a harder proposition to maintain, though, without which there IS no problem.
Westechester County does have fairly extensive wooded areas, easy to get from one to another. So a wild animal can move through the area. A breeding population might be a harder proposition to maintain, though, without which there IS no problem.
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The Coyote popluation in the US is increasing. They are adaptive creatures that can live in suburban environments very easily and have even been known to move into urban environments. A breeding pair were found in NYC a few years back. They, of course, can live off game of all kinds, domesticated animals and trash, in a pich. There have been increasing numbers of reports of coyote packs killing and eating large domesticated dogs in our area of Ohio, (Canton-Akron). It is a fact that they have tried to kill children in several suburban areas of the US and have succeeded once or twice, according to reports I've read. They see them as prey of opportunity; small, defenseless and easily killed. People just aren't shooting them as much as they used to, I guess.
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