Manix 2 and the Grind

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Hollow Saber, Saber, Hollow..what is it?
I've searched the far corners, the peaks and valleys of one answer. Even Spyderco themselves were not clear.
I've seen the Manix 2 sold as a Hollow Grind as well Saber Grind, and to confuse my feeble mind a "Hollow Saber" Grind. I recent paid $230 dollars to an online auction site in which the seller claimed NIB Saber Grind. I receive the knife with anticipation to only open it up and find the knife as well paper simply stating Hollow Grind. I contact seller.. as it stated in ad Saber he laughs, and I decide to keep it and use it. Two days later I see an ad for Hollow grind, its price, $80. Mind blown, I scoure the Spyderco Forum to find a vague answer as it is a Hollow Sabre Grind..poof. Mind dusted...
So, any of you Manix historians willing to chime in or set the facts straight, please, please do. I'm not asking for the opinion of what you visually see, rather facts to how some are classified Saber, Hollow, and Hollow Saber and the application to Manix 2.
Cheers.
P.S. Off Topic, but may save a post. Lionspy: What is the factory washer/bearing set up? I'm seeing these modified with some whacky combinations. Most recent is two brass washers stuffed on each side opening the frame so much the blade stop pin is barely in the frame...
 
All of the current Manix 2's I believe are a full flat grind. Once upon a time they did make a saber ground Manix which was hollow ground below the flats of the blade. A blade can be both Saber ground and Hollow ground at the same time.
 
I believe you are not talking of the FFG Manix 2s. The standard sabre ground Manix 2s are hollow ground. Usually a sabre grind entails flats closer to the spine of the blade then v shaped flat grinds terminating at the edge. These grinds begin at the bottom of the flats which again are closer to the spine.

In the Manix 2 the grind below the flats which taper to the edge are done as hollow grinds.

Thus the sabre portion is referring to the unground flats above the hollow ground bevels which come to the final edge bevel. The hollow portion is referring to the way those bevels were ground.

And so ultimately it is hollow ground sabre grind.
 
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This is a saber grind. It can be just flat V shape or hollow ground like the one in picture. Its radiused inwards. Someone can just call it sabre grind and omit the hollow part cuz they don't care.
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This is full flat ground blade. The blade is ground from the spine down like kitchen knife.

Oh and when it says hollow grind it already implies a saber grind. I don't think I've seen anything that's ffg and hollow
 
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A hollow grind does not imply a saber grind. The way I've always interpreted a saber grind is a grind that is flat ground to the edge but starts roughly halfway up the height of the blade. A full flat starts from the spine and terminates at the edge. A hollow grind can vary in grind height. The diameter of the grinding wheel can be a factor in this. There are high hollows that run nearly from spine to edge and there are short hollows like that of the original Manix 2s
 
"Saber" and" Full" refer to the height of the grind, saber being only part of the height of the blade (the rest remaining the full thickness of the original stock) and full meaning the grind runs all the way to the spine, and the spine is the only part of the blade (other than the tang) that remains the full thickness of the stock.

"Flat" "Hollow" and "Convex" refer to the shape of the grind. A blade can be full flat, flat saber, full hollow, hollow saber, full convex or convex saber ground. The original run of Manix2 was hollow saber grind, the current ones are full flat grind. I have knives that are full hollow grind (in fact, a lot of Case pocketknives are full hollow), hollow saber, full flat, flat saber and convex saber. I don't have any full convex, but I do have some full flat with convex edge. I have seen some culinary knives that were full flat on one side and hollow saber on the other.
 
yablanowitz said:
"Saber" and" Full" refer to the height of the grind, saber being only part of the height of the blade (the rest remaining the full thickness of the original stock) and full meaning the grind runs all the way to the spine, and the spine is the only part of the blade (other than the tang) that remains the full thickness of the stock.

"Flat" "Hollow" and "Convex" refer to the shape of the grind. A blade can be full flat, flat saber, full hollow, hollow saber, full convex or convex saber ground. The original run of Manix2 was hollow saber grind, the current ones are full flat grind. I have knives that are full hollow grind (in fact, a lot of Case pocketknives are full hollow), hollow saber, full flat, flat saber and convex saber. I don't have any full convex, but I do have some full flat with convex edge. I have seen some culinary knives that were full flat on one side and hollow saber on the other.
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Absolutely brilliant and thorough in a manner I can completely understand. So there are only two variations on Manix 2 Hollow Saber and FFG. I truly appreciate the clarification and have logged this into my personal data base as all the responses were helpful, this particular one as mentioned, comprehendible by me.
Cheers!
 
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