Mantis Classier Act?

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Hi everyone. I've been looking for a budget CPM-S30V knife and I happened to stumble upon the Mantis Classier Act. With an S30V blade AND carbon fiber handles I thought I had hit the jackpot. However, I was not able to find a review on the knife that could convince me to buy the knife (In fact, I could only find one! However, it came from their own forums so I couldn't help but feel it was biased). I'm aware of the company's questionable history but I'm willing to set that aside if I'm able to get a great knife.

Basically, I'm wondering if anyone who owns this knife can attest to the fact that the blade is in fact CPM-S30V and whether or not the knife has been properly heat treated. Thanks for the help.
 
Welcome to the forums!

Mantis is a bit of a sore subject around here. There were some issues a while back about spamming, steels not being what was advertised, etc. I don't have any Mantis knives, so as far as quality, I can't comment. Some of them look usable, others look a little gimmicky to me.

~Chris
 
Welcome to BF. I will agree with what orca has already stated. Although I have never handled the "Class Act" blade, the blades I have seen were just not impressive quality builds. Loose pivot, handle screws missing, pocket clips, etc.
You can find much better knives from more reputable makers without wondering if you you bought is what was advertised.
 
If you are looking for a budget S30V knife by all means look at the Buck Vantage Pro, a steal at around $50.00.
 
If you are looking for a budget S30V knife by all means look at the Buck Vantage Pro, a steal at around $50.00.
Bingo. If you get the Vantage Pro, you'll be able to rest easy knowing that the blade steel is as advertised and has an excellent heat treat.

The same goes for the Spyderco Native, another S30V knife from an outstanding company that goes for around $50.
 
Thanks for the heads up guys. I already know there are many competitors in the budget CPM-S30V group. I was just wondering if anyone had experience with this particular knife.
 
For what it's worth, unless there's a compelling reason for me to go with a brand that's received mixed reviews , I ALWAYS stick with brands I know and trust.
 
I decided that I'd go to a store that carried Mantis knives. You wouldn't believe how hard that is! Anyways, here are my initial impressions. Hopefully it'll help someone in the future looking for this knife.

Note that this is a mini review on the Mantis Classier Act (MT-2sc) only. The shop I visited did not have any of the other models in Mantis' Classy Act series. I believe this is vital because, for all I know, there could be a huge difference in quality as you step up/down in the Classy Act series.

Note2: I'm NOT in any way affiliated with Mantis. In fact, the only knives I own are Spydercos, Benchmades, and 1 Mtech throwaway to lend to friends. I aim to provide the best review I can based on my initial impressions.

Blade:
It's stamped S30V. I obviously couldn't test that at the store but I have no reason to doubt that it isn't. One thing I noticed was that the blade was fairly thin. I later called their headquarters and they told me that the blade thickness is 1/10th in (2.5mm). Another thing of note is that the blade isn't coated. On their website, it almost looks as if the blade is metallic black. Their "Slipstream" grind (as Mantis calls it) is different but it didn't really strike a chord within me. I will say that the grind is accurately represented though. It looks exactly like the one shown in the picture. As for the functionality, I assume it'd slice as well as any other hollow ground knife. Lastly, the tip of the knife. It's a very thin tip, which allows for delicate cutting. Please remember that this is a gentleman's folder. You shouldn't be doing any prying with it.

http://www.mantisknives.com/Product Zoom/MT2sc Classier Act/mt2sc_classieract.html

Deployment:

I'll sum it up right now. Super fast IF you have smaller hands. The reason I say this is because the deployment hole is fairly small. In addition to that, the triangular hole doesn't do justice for the deployment. It doesn't allow much of your thumb to fit as is but the fact that the hole narrows caused my thumb to slip several times. See photo below:

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I feel that if the triangular hole was flipped, it'd be MUCH easier to deploy. Something along the lines of this:

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The knife itself rests on phosphor bronze bushings (Yes I checked it out at the store with my flashlight! I got some looks when I did so but they're definitely there!). It deploys incredibly fast if your hand doesn't slip.

Handle:

Again, it's not accurately represented by the site. It looks FAR better on the site. However, it does have a very glossy appearance. As for the weaving of the carbon fiber, I can't say it was that impressive. In terms of it's appearance, I'm at a loss of words as how to describe it. It simply didn't look as good as the photos of other carbon fiber knives I've seen. Let me caveat this though. I have NO carbon fiber knives and have yet to see a good weave that I like. I can't speak to what constitutes a good weave or anything related to the topic of carbon fiber. I'd recommend you go to Mantis' website and try to find a dealer near you that carries the knife.

Revision: Several of the forum members mentioned that the carbon fiber handles don't look real (see the posts below for more details). I can not speak to this but I can certainly imagine Mantis taking a step like this to reduce costs.

Moving onto the liners, there's no skeletonization! I suppose this makes sense though. They need to take small steps like this to keep the knife cheap. If you want to lighten up the knife, it has screws for you to take apart the knife and service/customize. Despite it not having skeletonized liners, the knife is VERY light at 2.0 oz. The reason for this is because of the thin blade and handle profile. The knife handle is very thin in itself, which makes up for the lack of skeletonization.

Lockup:

Admittedly, I forgot to check. Sorry folks! If you do have problems, Mantis has an unconditional lifetime warranty and I'm sure they'd be glad to help you.

Ergonomics:

Again, we see signs of the cheapening process. No jimping! Though one could argue that jimping ruins the looks of the blade. In addition to that, there really isn't anything to aid grip. The carbon fiber handles are incredibly slick! At best, you get a rounded handle to help you hold onto the knife.

Next, there's the liner lock. I thought this was very interestingly done. If you take a look at the pictures of the knife, you'll notice that there's a triangular hole drilled into the bottom of the liner. Believe it or not, that's the mechanism (for lack of a better word) used to disengage the lock. Despite the lack of jimping, it is incredibly easy to disengage. I think of it as having a thumb hole for disengaging the lock. Here's a picture:

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The clip is tip down only. It looks like it might be reversible but I can't confirm that.

Customer Service:

While this does not relate to the knife, I thought it was worth a mention. In order to find out some of this information, I had to call Mantis' headquarters. I did not mention or even hint that I was doing a review of their knife so I believe I was treated in the same way any other customer would be.

My first occasion was to ask them how thick the blade was. The person answering the phone didn't know so she put me on hold for about a minute or so. I don't really mind waiting as long as I get the information.

The second time I really wanted to test them. I asked them if this knife was skeletonized. I already knew it wasn't but I wanted to see how well the people at customer service knew their product. The first person I spoke to didn't even know what skeletonized liners were. I was patched to someone at tech support. That person didn't know either so I finally explained what skeletonized liners were. At least he told me they weren't (which is true)!

Last thoughts:

I think this company will be hit and miss. Like RevDevil pointed out, some of their knives are horrendous. I got to handle a few of their other folding knives and just about everything was wrong with them (except the looks I suppose).

It seems people have difficulty finding where Mantis' knives are made. This model was made in Taiwan. Who cares? This is a beautiful knife at a great price. I can't speak to quality control as nobody else on the forums or anyone I knew had one.

All photos are property of Mantis Knives. The photos were used strictly for review purposes.
 
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Well.....nice review. You should look into buying more knives with reviews like this! Very professionally laid out and worded, good job on the write up.
 
Welcome to bladeforums! That was a fantastic review. Well done. You will defidently fit right in here
 
I could be wrong but that handle doesnt look like carbon fiber . it looks like thick clear plastic over CF( best case) .
then you round edges on CF it will change the way it looks, like this kopa
I am sure some one has better example to post .
also it looks polished ,,,, polishing CF pain in the a$$ and will cost money .

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You could be right. Like I said, I'm nowhere near knowledgeable on the topic of carbon fiber. For all I know, it could just be some sort of imitation carbon fiber. Thanks for the photo proving your point.
 
Trix2004--thanks for pointing that out. Ever since I saw one of those in person at SHOT when the company was brand new to the scene (wasn't impressed then, still not now) there was something about the scales on that model that seemed...wrong. Now I realize it's because the weave was flat, while the scales were quite rounded. One of those face/palm moments. :p
 
Great review! And I don't know if its just your picture, but something does seem strange about that carbon fiber, it looks fake.
 
It's actually a picture from Mantis' website. If theirs doesn't look real, I doubt any of the production models would look any more realistic. I'll change my review accordingly. Thanks for the insight regarding the carbon fiber guys!
 
I bought one these Mantis "Classier Act" knives,several weeks ago. I have used it as an EDC. It has cut all the day to day things I have needed it for and the edge has held up very well (better then my AUS8 knife).It is extemely sharp and is well made.
It feels good in my Hand and opens easily. I like it well enough that I just ordered the "Classiest Act".
 
1 post, and it happens to be a rave review. I would still rather have a Spyderco, Kershaw, or Buck at twice or 3 times the price.
 
Hello Rev Devil,
I own the Buck Vantage Pro, it is a very nice knife, but it is bulkier than the Classier Act. I work in an Office job and the comfort of my EDC is important. I am very aware when the Buck is in my pocket whereas I am unaware of the Mantis in my pocket. If I was going camping I would probably take the Buck, it is a heavier duty knife and better suited to the chores camping might require, I consider the Mantis more of a"Gentlemans Knife", Well shaped, and lightweight. I also own several spyderco's though none in S30V and the Mantis is a sharp as any of these. Time will tell, If I run into any problems with the Mantis I will post it. My experience with Buck and Spyderco is a positive one, I just happen to feel the Mantis is worth consideration
as an inexpensive alternative.
 
Thanks for the reply. I just can't believe that Mantis would start using S30V on any knife. They claimed for years that they used 440V when it was clearly out of production for years before. Then they said they bought a newly discovered stash, they then sent the steel overseas to be machined, ground, and heat treated, to sell on knives that ran $50? No way, they would have absolutely gone broke on the export and import of that alone, not to mention the skill and cost involved in properly heat treating it.

Anyone running a business that truly had surplus of S60V/440V would have opted to do something memorable and special for the sake of their business and it would have been reflected in their price and in the models they made.

Mantis is the equivalent of that yucky candy you get at a birthday party that always ends up on the ground, the ants won't even touch it.

Glad you like the knife, that is what really matters. Even the model name is ironic at best.
 
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