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:confused: I need some major help. I am an aspiring knife maker.I have taken two jobs in order to purchase equipment for my shop.I am dedicated to making a high quality product ie.(knives).My problem is I have no idea how to market myself or my product.Are magazine ads worth the money? What can I expect at a gun and knife show.Are web sites the way to go or maybe all three? I would greatly appreciate any feedback that anyone is willing to offer.
 
My humble advise would be make knives. The rest will come. Sounds flippant. The cart should stay put while the horse is being hooked to it.

You will do well. I know you will because you are making sacrifices to pay for your equipment.

RL
 
RLinger's advice is sound. Just make knives. Start out small. Make the best knives you can. Give them away to friends. Sell them at a craft fair or flea market. Word will get out.

You need to have a product to sell. Paradoxically, you can't sell something you don't have, and you can't buy equipment to make your particular version of "good knives," right? Its a struggle, and that's why its important to simply MAKE KNIVES. It'll all come to you.

You'll meet lots of friendly folks who will give you advice. Go to knife shows. See how its done. Talk to folks whom you have seen their ads in Blade or the other mags.

There are no hard fast rules other than to market an item, you first must have an item to market.

I've done in the past what you are doing now: Working your tail off to raise money for equipment. It was hard for me to decide when to drop the second job and when I had enough equipment. It never seems like enough. Thing is, make the knives and make them the best you can, and the sales for them will come.
 
Brent,
If at all possible you should try to get to a hammer-in. I went to my first last weekend and the amount of information I received was absolutely amazing. On top of that you get to meet people who's work you admire and it gets your name out.

Tom
 
Well I'm going to agree in part - make knives and get good at at it, but you still need to market yourself. I have been doing my craft for over 40 years, but I also spent 17 years as a small business consultant so I have a good background to speak from.

1)Jerry Fisk has a booklet out on the business of custom knifemaking - get it - Jerry not only knows how to make knives but he knows how to market himself as well. There are also other books on the selling of one's crafts that are excellent resources.
2)Shows can be essential to getting your name known both near and far. There are successful knife makers who haven't done shows, but they are few and far between.

3)Get a website - but realize it is not a magic bullet. Still it is a major source of info for many prospective buyers. There are alternatives to "regular" websites - check out Chris Crawford's new www.blademakers.com Post and Dan Gray (Graymaker) also offers a good alternative at his www.knivesby.com - as a web designer as well as a craftsperson if you don't know how to do it then these much better alternatives than the "free sites" (I learned the hard way how to make a successful website, but I at leaast had a good background in computers and design)

4)Print advertising can be VERY expensive so it is one of those things you will need to work towards. But even a small classified ad can be very effective. In fact most advertising gurus will tell you it gives you the best bang for the buck and even if you get to the point of running bigger ads it's always good to keep a classified one running.

5)CKD Forums has a forum just for the Business of Knifemaking - some very good info there - http://www.ckdforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=50 And remember it is a "business" if you are going to approach it as a full time operation and therefore must be run like one. Lots of good advice in this forum concerning local business resources that can help get you set up as a full-charge business and not a hobby class business (the IRS for instance has STRICT regulations concerning what is and what isn't a business). Yes I know there are many knifemakers out there who keep it fairly quiet and close to the chest, bu the big boys are businessmena as well as makers. Another point of fact is that things like home owner's insurance and such can get real sticky when you run the business from your home so be aware of the problems that can arise.

6)The Anvil also has a forum called Marketing Strategies 101 http://pub154.ezboard.com/btheanvil54554 - Amy Hinchman is the moderator and others such as Les Robertson and Jerry Fisk are offering their advice.

7)Join as a Knifemaker or a Gold Memember here on a Bladeforums so you can sell via those forums. CKD also offers a Makers Sales outlet. Others sell on Ebay with fairly good success.

My biggest piece of advice (and I make my entire living via my craft) besides make a good product and back it up - is to look beyond the obvious - seek out markets that are not necessarily part of the "knife world". For instance my largest market is the Cowboy Action Shooters and 19th century reenactors - these are specialized markets, but without them in conjunction with the knife collectors market I'd be out there working for somebody else. Where and how you sell depends a lot on what kind of knives you make - but again think out side the box when deciding how to market your self (and marketing YOUR SELF is 90% of any business)
 
Hey Brent you got some great advice.

I'd just like to add a bit. I only make a few knives and sell them all so I don't have direct experience. But I have had small businesses before and learned a few things. Here's one tidbit:

I raise and sell sheep for 4H kids. My partner is a retired guy that wants to sell lambs big time (you wouldn't believe what the top lambs sell for!). He's really nice, but doesn't value marketing enough - I feel.

He has some nice lambs and some not so nice. When people come by he shows them all. "They'll pick out the good ones, why bother." He also doesn't clean them up before a sale. "The customer will know what it looks like clean."


Oops.

The moral of the story: be real selective about what you put up for sale and how and where you present it.

You might think, "oh this one isn't so nice, I'll just mark the price down." You place it for sale and somehow that's the first one someone picks up. Bingo - you're branded as a cheap maker forever.

Actually I've done that at knife shows. Picked up a makers knife. Looked it over. Didn't like it and walked on. Never bothering to see if it was representive of his best work.

It's not fair of people to do that, but it is reality.

Another example is:

When friends come over they ask to see one of my knives. All I have is some beaters in the kitchen and garage. I show one and say "Wait! that's just a beater. Let me show you a picture of one of my good ones!" Ouch! Too late. I'm branded.

You're better off showing 2 pieces of your best work than 3 that includes something less than par. It's not dishonest. The knives you sell are your best. Don't show something you wouldn't sell. And don't sell something you wouldn't show.

My $.02

Steve
 
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