master of defense mark 3 knives

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I was looking into buying another knife, mainly a combat/survival knife since I love the design of these kinds. I was looking into buying a master of defense mark 3 combat knife and was wondering if it was a good knife or not. All the sites I see claim it used to be used by navy seals and such and that it should be heavy duty and not break easily. Its made by the Ontario Knife Co. Any suggestions on this knife whether it is worth the money for it? I was looking for something under $80 right now. Any suggestions are welcome.

this is the knife I am looking at if you don't know what it is http://www.navyseals.com/store/detail.aspx?ID=260&Name=Mark-3-Mod-0-Navy-SEAL-Combat-Knife
 
Hooooooooo boy...... Where to start with this one?

Right. May as well 'dive' right in.

A Mark 3 Mod 0 knife is /not/ made by Masters of Defense.

From http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/miscsystems.html:

Navy MARK/MOD Nomenclature System

The Navy assignes MARK/MOD numbers to nearly all types of equipment not covered by other designation systems, e.g. torpedoes, mines, guns, missile launchers, etc. This MARK/MOD system has its origins in the early 20th century, and was formally adopted in 1944. Of course, it was revised and extended over time, and the current standard is defined in MIL-STD-1661.

Similar in concept to the Army Nomenclature System, the full nomenclature for an equipment item consists of a type name and the MARK/MOD numbers. Examples are:

Examples:
Torpedo, MARK 46 MOD 4
Fire Control System, Missile, MARK 99 MOD 0
Mount, Gun, 8 Inch, MARK 225 MOD 1
Launcher, Missile, EX 31 MOD 0
(1) (2) (3)

(1) is the name of the item, which is part of the complete nomenclature. According to MIL-STD-1661, the name is to precede the MARK number, and separated from the latter by a comma. The name should be selected from DoD Cataloging Handbook H6 ("Federal Item Name Directory"). In tabulated equipment listings, the item names should be written in "inverted nomenclature", in which the usual order of words in the name is reversed (as in the list of examples). That way, related items will be grouped together in alphabetical listings.

Number (2) is the MARK number. MARK numbers are assigned in numerical sequence within each equipment category. The prefix EX instead of MARK is used for experimental or developmental items. If an EX item is adopted for operational use, it will use MARK afterwards, but will keep the assigned number.

Number (3) is the MOD number, which indicates a modification or variant of the equipment. MOD numbers are assigned in numerical sequence for each equipment, the initial version being designated MOD 0. When an item is redesignated from EX to MARK, the MOD numbers for "MARK" are restarted from Zero.

An example will clarify this: An experimental item is designated EX 44, and the MOD numbers 0 through 5 were assigned during development. Now it is decided to put MOD 1 and MOD 5 into operational service. Then EX 44 MOD 1 would be redesignated MARK 44 MOD 0, and EX 44 MOD 5 would become MARK 44 MOD 1. However, if all (or nearly all) MODs of the EX series are to become operational, the MOD numbers can be retained for the MARK series, the (few) unused numbers being left unassinged in the MARK series.

The general guideline is to write the words MARK and MOD unabbreviated and in uppercase. However, abbreviation of MARK as MK and/or use of mixed-case (Mark/Mod) lettering is explicitly allowed. Dashes and other punctuations should not be used. Therefore, all the following variants are correct nomenclature:

Torpedo, MARK 46 MOD 4
Torpedo, MK 46 MOD 4
Torpedo, Mark 46 Mod 4
Torpedo, Mk 46 Mod 4

The following variants do not conform to the strict rules of MIL-STD-1661, but are nevertheless quite common:

Torpedo, Mark-46 Mod 4
Torpedo, MK-46 Mod 4
Torpedo, Mk.46 Mod 4

So your Combat Knife, Mark 3 Mod 0 actually has nothing to do with anybody named 'Mark', or the company 'Masters of Defense' which probably picked their acronym in part for its military associations. If you're thinking you'll score a Masters of Defense knife at a relative bargain compared to the rest of their line, you'll be somewhat disappointed as it is a military contract design, usually produced by the lowest bidder. (not saying that it isn't quality work, but that's how these things work)

Might I suggest www.darkopsknives.com ? (Just kidding. No. Really. I'm just kidding. If you go the DorkOps route you'll really be branding yourself as a Mall Ninja.)
 
A bit of advice: If you want a good sized, tough knife, in the military vein, for not a lot of money, buy yourself a Ka Bar. :thumbup:
 
snakebyte said:
I was looking into buying another knife, mainly a combat/survival knife since I love the design of these kinds. I was looking into buying a master of defense mark 3 combat knife and was wondering if it was a good knife or not. All the sites I see claim it used to be used by navy seals and such and that it should be heavy duty and not break easily. Its made by the Ontario Knife Co. Any suggestions on this knife whether it is worth the money for it? I was looking for something under $80 right now. Any suggestions are welcome.

this is the knife I am looking at if you don't know what it is http://www.navyseals.com/store/detail.aspx?ID=260&Name=Mark-3-Mod-0-Navy-SEAL-Combat-Knife

I picked one up off of ebay for under $30 a couple of years ago although I never used it as I don't like the very thin Clip Point and there are MUCH better knives available. I guess I thought mine was an Ontario but I may be wrong.
 
If you want a great military knife go with these:

http://www.rangerknives.com/Knives/index.html

Or Swamp rat knives.

If you want to go the wholoe nine yards you can still get a busse combat HR at the follwing site :

http://www.bussecompanystore.com/

But if you have your heart set on the a hollow handled saw back survival knife. there is only one truly high quality choice.

http://www.chrisreeve.com/aviator.htm


I hope that this helps. Dont be put off by the price as you really do ge twhat you pay for with these guys.

My personal recomendation would be to start with a swamp rat knife. They are almost indestructible, And there warrant yis bomb proof. If you break it they will replace it.

Hope taht this helps, and i wish you the best of luck.
 
Does "surivial" include crushing a lot of garlic or something? There is no grind on that thing!
 
First off thanks for the replies, it was just what I wanted.

After looking at the swamp rat knifes and reading about the company a bit they seem like a solid knife. For the most part I like the look, but that isn't what is really important to me, i'd rather have I knife that lasts for a long time when Im out camping/hiking in the mountains than a pretty knife. I was looking at them and liked the bandicoot knife a lot. It looked around the size I wanted and had a good price as well. Well when I tried ordering to see what the sheath price was, since it said sheath optional lefthand or right, the order screen always brought up rat trap knife, curious if anyone has ordered from their swamp rat knifes site before. Another knife I looked at on their was the rat tail, the least expensive one. The handle was a wrap on that one and I am not sure if that would be as wise to get that over the bandicoot one. Any suggestions on these two knives?
 
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