Maxamet damage: Scratching my head

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With the assistance of some of the experts here, I was able to get the edge on a Maxamet blade to an impressive degree of sharpness. I give it 30 degrees, and have been getting good performance out of it.

I don't let my edges get dull, and before I resharpen, I examine them closely to see what they're doing. As for the Maxamet, it behaves as I would expect. Most of my use is nothing special, envelopes, boxes, chopping and stripping medium sized wire, carving hard plastic. The damage I see before sharpening is nothing noteworthy. Wear is less than I would expect on other types of steel, and integrity of the apex is impressive.

Fast forward to earlier this week. I needed a chunk of something about 1/4" thick. I spotted some rubber floor mats in the corner that would be perfect. I whipped out the Maxamet blade and made two 4" slices through the rubber to make myself a square. The knife was hella sharp, and the ease at which the blade sliced through the material almost made me giddy.

When I was done, I wiped off the blade and carefully felt it. I was surprised to feel substantial damage. When I got home, I put it under the microscope and was very surprised at the actual extent of the damage.

Check out the attached pictures. Along the apex there were areas that were broken off. That was interesting, but not shocking, as I've previously observed Maxamet's propensity toward chipping. I was disappointed as it will take a little work to fix.

But what surprised me was areas along the flat part of the bevel, away from the apex, that appear to be spalled. That's really unexpected. And I was only cutting through rubber mat without a whole lot of pressure on the blade. I'm not sure what to make of this.

The rubber mat was soft and spongy, nothing out of the ordinary. I don't relish damaging a blade on purpose just for experimentation's sake, but this is so weird that I'm tempted to go back and grab a piece of the mat to bring home and examine closely.

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R RustyIron , may I ask if that edge is on a Spyderco? The reason I ask is that I recently bought one with in Maxamet. At this point I don't know what to use when the edge goes dull.
 
Yup, it's on a Spyderco. I'll admit that it took a while to get an edge on it that made me happy. I tried a lot of different things, but what really did the trick was the diamond matrix stones available only from Edgepro.

Don't get me wrong with all this. The Maxamet blade is providing me with a lot of value for my entertainment dollar. The boring stainless kitchen knives I sharpen nicely, then trim the chicken, dice the onions, slice some squash, and in a couple weeks do it all over again. This Maxamet is forcing me to look, learn, and hone new skills. Hone new skills? See what I did with the words? Have fun with your new slab of metal, Tourist, and let us know what you do with it.

P.S.
It might come from the factory pretty sharp, but you'll be able to sharpen it into the next galaxy.
 
Damn, I hope you got an 80 Matrix stone as your going to want one to fix that damage. I just got a Spyderco Maxamet blade and have been wondering about the heat treat compared to one I borrowed from BBB to play with a few years ago. The factory edge dulled and rolled quite quick and when I sharpened it the burr raised was much larger than I expected, making me think it wasn't nearly as hard as I expected. That isn't your problem but the way it is fracturing is very strange.
 
What was the sharpening progression? What stones?

With the assistance of some of the experts here, I was able to get the edge on a Maxamet blade to an impressive degree of sharpness. I give it 30 degrees, and have been getting good performance out of it.

I don't let my edges get dull, and before I resharpen, I examine them closely to see what they're doing. As for the Maxamet, it behaves as I would expect. Most of my use is nothing special, envelopes, boxes, chopping and stripping medium sized wire, carving hard plastic. The damage I see before sharpening is nothing noteworthy. Wear is less than I would expect on other types of steel, and integrity of the apex is impressive.

Fast forward to earlier this week. I needed a chunk of something about 1/4" thick. I spotted some rubber floor mats in the corner that would be perfect. I whipped out the Maxamet blade and made two 4" slices through the rubber to make myself a square. The knife was hella sharp, and the ease at which the blade sliced through the material almost made me giddy.

When I was done, I wiped off the blade and carefully felt it. I was surprised to feel substantial damage. When I got home, I put it under the microscope and was very surprised at the actual extent of the damage.

Check out the attached pictures. Along the apex there were areas that were broken off. That was interesting, but not shocking, as I've previously observed Maxamet's propensity toward chipping. I was disappointed as it will take a little work to fix.

But what surprised me was areas along the flat part of the bevel, away from the apex, that appear to be spalled. That's really unexpected. And I was only cutting through rubber mat without a whole lot of pressure on the blade. I'm not sure what to make of this.

The rubber mat was soft and spongy, nothing out of the ordinary. I don't relish damaging a blade on purpose just for experimentation's sake, but this is so weird that I'm tempted to go back and grab a piece of the mat to bring home and examine closely.

damage1.jpg


damage2.jpg


damage3.jpg
 
Maybe the rubber mats were pulling the edge in different directions due to high rubber friction and the weight of them flopping back and forth during the cut, compressing on the edge and pulling and stressing it in all different directions. Or maybe the mats were sandy or something from sitting in the corner, too. Gotta say it is a bit surprising, but I've cut rubber mats and jacked up lesser steels and kinda figured it had to do with the friction and the flopping around, pinching and pulling in a surprisingly stressful manner because rubber. Great macro pics btw.
 
Rubber is some funky stuff and 1/4" is thick enough that you put a lot of side stress on the apex. But I still the damage to the bevel in the bottom photo is flat bizarre. I don't think it has to do with sand or some abrasive contamination.
 
What was the sharpening progression? What stones?

This is how it was sharpened prior to the damage:

400 diamond plate from chefknivestogo
1k diamond plate chefknivestogo

The above was to move material and get me into the ballpark.
Then I moved on to the finishing stones.

650 Edgepro Diamond Matrix
1100 Edgepro Diamond Matrix
2300 Edgepro Diamond Matrix
4000 Edgepro Diamond Matrix

At that point, the edge was to my liking.
After that, it was only used for light duty like cutting tape and maybe a few small wiring tasks.
 
If you had it laying around you would but I do understand it $$ if you don't. The 80 would fix that about 8 times faster than the 250.
 
I wonder if you didn't get a knife where the edge was over heated at the factory,I know me and a friend got Spyderco Manix 2's at the same time and neither of are's held an edge well at all and friends was chippy and dulled fast where as mine just dulled fast,but after 2 sharpening's on mine and 4 on his they both now hold an edge very well.

Look at this video if you don't believe me this knife had 14 sharpening's before the result's were repeatable and it held an edge.

 
I am only on my second touch up sharpening, it was already at 30 degrees inclusive, so have a while before I worry about it but do wonder how many times RustyIron has sharpened his? The damage in the first 2 photos is somewhat understandable, but that of the last is hard to fathom.
 
Those mats are usually made out out of recycled tires and who knows what else. Best guess could be something like that damaging the edge.
 
R RustyIron , as always, if you're having a problem I'm always ready to do some research or see how the edge was formed. I must admit, those chunks taken out of the edge give me pause...
 
There have been many threads over the years of mats killing edges.

https://www.bladeforums.com/threads...d-floor-mats-are-tough.1695901/#post-19388256

The Edge pro geometry is flatter and more fragile especially at 15dps. Cody and Ben at edge pro use ~20-22dps

you've ruled out abrasive,

I'd say rule out geometry next.

Try a 17dps and repeat, you can optimize the geometry for cutting mats :D

I just 15dps everything and use it like I hate it but sharpen it like I love it :P
 
I seem to remember a relatively recent thread in the Spyderco forum either here or on Spyderco's own site where a member brought to the attention of the members his recent version Maxamet knife being soft and having issues at the edge. There were some questions raised regarding the heat treat, possible bad batch etc. I don't know whether there was ever any resolution on the matter posted.

Sorry that's not much help, but this isn't the first time some concern about recent Maxamet knives has been raised. Perhaps someone will remember the thread and chime in or provide the link.
 
Geometry doesn't explain the middle of the second photo or most of the bottom photo.
 
I don't relish damaging a blade on purpose just for experimentation's sake, but this is so weird that I'm tempted to go back and grab a piece of the mat to bring home and examine closely.

I think you should. Either there is something in those mats beside rubber or something is wrong with your blade, and this is the best way to find out.
 
That was my thread linked. I concluded it was likely a combination of improper edge geometry for the job and some sort of abrasive binder being used in the mats I cut.

Funny my thread was linked as I read this thinking about my shocking experience with them as well.

I now have an Olfa.
 
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