Maybe a very old question about a very old 110

DarrylS

DarrylS

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I'm hoping that one of the major collectors of 110's can help here. Did Buck's 2 liners ever come with the steel rocker rivet , separate brass spacer and 2 scale rivets ? I have one for over 30 years with the integral rear bolster spacer , 2 lines, and all brass rivets including the rocker rivet but I've just seen one as I described earlier. I was under the impression that they went to the steel rocker rivet and 3 lines at the same time. The one I have reads Buck USA with point down as does the one with the steel rivet. I really thought the steel rivet came at the same time as "Buck 110 USA" point up with 2 scale rivets...hmmm...does anyone understand what I just asked????...:eek: :cool: :cool: :eek: :rolleyes:...
 
Buck changed to the integral brass spacer sometime around 1965, the "two line tangstamp" began in 1968.
The "three line tangstamp" began in 1971.

What you are describing are early and late "Second Version" 110's.

Early ones had all brass pins, including the rocker, later ones had a steel rocker.
 
DarrylS said:
I'm hoping that one of the major collectors of 110's can help here. Did Buck's 2 liners ever come with the steel rocker rivet , separate brass spacer and 2 scale rivets ? I have one for over 30 years with the integral rear bolster spacer , 2 lines, and all brass rivets including the rocker rivet but I've just seen one as I described earlier. I was under the impression that they went to the steel rocker rivet and 3 lines at the same time. The one I have reads Buck USA with point down as does the one with the steel rivet. I really thought the steel rivet came at the same time as "Buck 110 USA" point up with 2 scale rivets...hmmm...does anyone understand what I just asked????...:eek: :cool: :cool: :eek: :rolleyes:...
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Darryl,
I'm not sure what you mean by "integral" brass spacer. I have two of the 2nd version 110's, one with a brass rocker rivet and one with a steel rocker rivet. Both have a brass spacer, and they both look like it is separate from either of the bolsters. :confused: By integral do you mean the spacer is actually part of one of the bolsters?
Mike
 
Thanks Confederate. Just to make sure I know what you mean...the 110 with the 2 brass scale rivets, the stainless rocker rivet, the separate brass spacer and the 2 lines of text, reading Buck USA is a late "2nd" version. Think I'm gonna keep it. It's in unbelievable condition...:thumbup:
 
Mike Kerins said:
Darryl,
I'm not sure what you mean by "integral" brass spacer. I have two of the 2nd version 110's, one with a brass rocker rivet and one with a steel rocker rivet. Both have a brass spacer, and they both look like it is separate from either of the bolsters. :confused: By integral do you mean the spacer is actually part of one of the bolsters?
Mike
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Yes Mike...The one I've had for years has the rear bolster spacer as part of one of the bolsters. It has the 2 line configuration and you would read it with the blade pointing down. By the way, this one has all brass rivets...2 scale rivets and the rocker pin...all brass.
 
DarrylS said:
Yes Mike...The one I've had for years has the rear bolster spacer as part of one of the bolsters. It has the 2 line configuration and you would read it with the blade pointing down. By the way, this one has all brass rivets...2 scale rivets and the rocker pin...all brass.
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Well, that really has me confused now, because one of mine has a brass rocker pin as well as two other brass pins and a brass spacer that is a separate piece of metal from the bolsters. I also have a second knife that is identical except it has a steel rocker pin. Makes me wonder just how many variations there really are. :eek: :eek:
 
...Yep...you have to wonder about that. The way it looks, it's almost like they used a forged piece of brass and machined it to form the entire right side piece of brass. That's if you're looking straight at the back of the knife with the lock release up.
 
DarrylS said:
Thanks Confederate. Just to make sure I know what you mean...the 110 with the 2 brass scale rivets, the stainless rocker rivet, the separate brass spacer and the 2 lines of text, reading Buck USA is a late "2nd" version. Think I'm gonna keep it. It's in unbelievable condition...:thumbup:
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Yes, it should be, a "two line tangstamp" with a steel rocker pin is a late "second version" falls between 1968 and 1971.
 
I'm not sure of the exact years, but there are some 110's with a rear brass spacer that is a separate peice, some where it is part of the bolster itself, and if you really want to find an oldie, hunt down a 110 with a Micarta spacer (late First Version)

Now you see why I love collecting 110's, the variation keeps you hunting!
 
The Last Confederate said:
Buck changed to the integral brass spacer sometime around 1965, the "two line tangstamp" began in 1968.
The "three line tangstamp" began in 1971.

What you are describing are early and late "Second Version" 110's.

Early ones had all brass pins, including the rocker, later ones had a steel rocker.
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Last Confederate, If the early "Second Version" had an integral brass spacer with a brass rocker pin and the late "Second Version" had a steel rocker pin and a separate brass spacer, where in the lineage does the one that I have fall with a brass rocker pin and a separate brass spacer?
 
Mike Kerins said:
Last Confederate, If the early "Second Version" had an integral brass spacer with a brass rocker pin and the late "Second Version" had a steel rocker pin and a separate brass spacer, where in the lineage does the one that I have fall with a brass rocker pin and a separate brass spacer?
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Well if all 3 pins are brass, then that should put it no later than an early/middle "Second Version".

Early "Second Versions" had the brass spacer as integral to the right bolster, and were designed to be press fitted together, but apparently that didn't work to well, so some models were drilled through the bolsters and a brass rivet installed.

"Second version" 110's can be found with at least 3 variants that I know of:

Early (no rivets)
Middle (brass rivets and brass rocker)
Late (brass rivets and steel rocker)

Also early "Second Versions" will have a thin stamped nail nick on the blade, while later ones have a wider machined nail nick.

Is the tangstamp on yours "Buck" or "Buck U.S.A."?
 
The 110 can form a love/hate relationship, that's for sure!

While the knife has stayed pretty much the same from it's start, over the years those subtle little improvments and changes leave lots of minor variations to keep the collector busy and frustrated at the same time.

Gotta love 'em!
 
The Last Confederate said:
The 110 can form a love/hate relationship, that's for sure!

While the knife has stayed pretty much the same from it's start, over the years those subtle little improvments and changes leave lots of minor variations to keep the collector busy and frustrated at the same time.

Gotta love 'em!
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This is one of the things that fascinates me with the 110 beyond the beauty of the knife. I guess it means that I have a few more versions to look for. :D
 
Mike Kerins said:
I guess it means that I have a few more versions to look for. :D
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In my hacking of 110's, I've found that the size & shape of the steel spacer under the rear bolster has also changed over the years. :)

When you're ready to start separating your "large" spacer 110's from the "small" spacer 110's, let me know... :D
 
All,
The Buck sections of the brand new Blade's Guide to Knives and Their Values were totally updated by Joe Houser and yours truly. In the section on Buck Folding Knives (pp. 505-513), one can find detailed explanations of the various versions of 110s, 112s,300 series, 500 series and 700 series Buck folders. No Buck collector should be without this book because it is the most complete compilation of Buck Knives info in one place available anywhere. The fixed blade knives are also addressed and there are seven pages of Buck limited edition, special project knives listed.
There are also some good pictures along with the verbiage. By the way, all of the 110 and 112 pictures (pp.506-508) are of my personal knives with the exception of the transparent demo 110 that did not need to be re-photographed.
I am on vacation this week, but if you email me and are willing to wait, I can email you more details about the book. It contains 576 pages and, as I recall, over 2000 photos.
This book is the retitled 6th Version of what used to be called Levine's Guide to Knives ...
 
Scott Hartman said:
I got my Blade's Guide to Knives and Their Values from Larry and it is worth every penny I paid for it!
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I didn't know Larry sold it too...Does he have a site where it can be ordered, or did you have to call and ask for it??? :eek:

If a site, could you post the contact URL??? ;)
 
Larry does not have a web site. Either call him or email him for what you want. I do know he is not in the office this week. He was "out chasing rabbits..." so he may not be checking for messages everyday.
 
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