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Hi my interest in hawks is very new,
and want to ask a simple question:

What can i do with a hawk on my sunday-family-walk-the-wood
or a urban survival scenario, including selfdefence,
what i cannot do with a knife at the same
weight/lenght (for example a kukhry)?

Sorry i know this question may sound like blasphemy,
but please take the time to teach a newbie,


and please give me a reason to buy one - :cool: :D
 
My hawks will outchop my bowies, but the khukuri is a pretty close contest. I've never tried throwing a khukuri. For self defense, I'd probably rather have a large bowie, khukuri or short sword because I've had more training in those areas and think they are a little more versatile fighters.

All the reason you need to buy a traditional hawk is to handle one of Two Hawks' beautiful pieces. www.mcn.net/~twohawks They perform a lot of different tasks pretty well (chopping, slicing, pounding, fighting, throwing, etc.). His Competition model is about the best traditional thrower available. The modern (Vietnam style) hawks are also good blends of weapon and tool. There have been a couple interesting threads on their qualities for wilderness survival use.

Take the plunge, buy one, and you'll enjoy using it for a wide variety of tasks---even if you don't decide to carry it as a substitute for your knives and khukuris.

(I just tried Two Hawks' site and can't get it to come up. I'll have to e-mail him and find out what's up.)
 
bigbore.45, on small wood a quality bowie will chop alongside a quality hatchet. If you go really high end and get a bowie from a master smith you can get a knife that will in fact readily outchop a quality hatchet on small wood (say about 15-25% or so) . The bowie will have a similar mass and heft but have a much thinner primary and secondary grind. There should also not be much of a problem with binding on wood that small so the thinner ground knife should still be able to chop at a smooth pace.

However a small axe (hatchet) will generally outperform a quality bowie on wood larger than the face of the hatchet. This is because by using multiple hits with the hatchet you will see no penetration loss on larger wood. This will mean that as the size of the wood increases that the hatchet will be able to break open wood far more readily than a quality large bowie and thus outperform it in regards to time and effort. As well a quality hatchet can be bought for about $50 from Granfors Bruks. This is a handmade forged axe with all the desired aspects done in a quality manner. Compare this to the cost of a quality bowie.

In regards to general cutting, while a quality hatchet will cut very well, a bowie of similar quality will in general be able to cut at a higher performance level in regards to penetration, while not generating as high a level of fatigue. A hatchet has advantages in being used as a mallet, being able to handle knots in wood much better and as well it is a much better wood splitter and in general has a much lower tendancy to bind. A bowie is easier to use as a draw knife and of course has the advantage of a much longer edge as well as an acute point.

In regards to khukuris, they will readily outchop a hatchet on smaller wood, but suffer a similar fate on larger wood as the bowies. Tomahawks in general have thicker bits than hatchets because of the need for greater durability and thus they will be outcut and outchopped by bowies readily on small wood, but again because of the ability to use multiple hits will gain ground steadily as the size of the wood increases.

Some specific performance examples which include a quality and low end bowie as well as a quality hatchet and tomahawk and a few other knives :

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/blade_testing.html#chopping

You can see how the quality bowie fares well on the small wood compared to the hatchet, but falls behind quickly as the wood gets larger. The cheap bowie is totally outclassed on larger wood. The Tomahawk fares well on the large wood compared to the blades as even though it has a much thicker edge it gains a penetration advantage because of the multiple hit pattern.

Other considerations are that bowies generally are of a higher grade of steel than axes, with a greater quality of temper and thus you will see better edge retention, edge durability and so on. You can of course get a quality hatchet from a custom maker and have the same performance. Note as well that if you go custom you could get a hatchet that is ground very similar to a quality bowie and thus it will readily cut alongside it, and outchop it even on small wood. However this geometry would lead to poor splitting ability and in general a great tendancy to bind on large wood.

-Cliff
 
DancesWithKnives -
Thanks for the kind words. The reason the old web site doesn't come up is that my internet service provider got gobbled up by a bigger fish and there's now a new address:
http://www.2hawks.net
That should be even easier to remember.
Now back to the original question: What can you do with your hawk?
1. Cut firewood 2. Split kindling 3. Split pelvis, brisket, and/or spine when butchering game 4. Skin and butcher the critter if you don't even HAVE a knife 5. Flesh the hide 6. Pound tent stakes and/or trap pegs 7. Settle arguments 8. Do a bit of "fun" throwing (don't throw a weapon in real combat) 10. Drive nails 11. Cut down trees and build a cabin if you don't have a chain saw, bucksaw, or even a full-size axe (but it's going to take a LONG time).
Other uses are up to your imagination and inventiveness. The folks who used these 200 years ago depended on them as an ESSENTIAL bush tool, along with a good butcher knife and flint and steel, to the extent that they would sooner abandon their firearm than the hawk, knife, and firemaking pouch.
TWO HAWKS
http://www.2hawks.net
 
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