Medication Desperation

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We live in a society where lots of people are on medication, and many of them actually need them. I say this because too many people like a fix in a pill instead of changing their behaviors. In spite of this, I am lucky enough to be the father of two special needs kids who have to have medication every day. I also have two aging parents that for better or worse are on a laundry list of medications as well. I don't think many people consider the impact of our medication dependent society, and how this will physically and emotionally impact even short term preparedness.

If you are lucky enough not to be on any medication or be responsible for anyone on medication, I first want to explain how those that are will have an impact on you.

Even when a doctor prescribes a medication and gives three refills, many insurance companies will not authorize a refill until you are close to the end of your current bottle. This is especially true with controlled substances. So in the wake of an event, you are likely to encounter people who either failed to plan accordingly or got caught up in the chaos and lost their meds. This can cause a ripple effect from everyone from the addict who cannot get his Methadone to the Mom who does not have medication for her child. Having a son who is Epileptic, I can tell you how stressed out my wife and I would be if during a preparedness situation my son was without his medications and had a seizure. So even if you are not on medications, you could still very likely be impacted by the desperation of those who are, or are responsible for others.

For those of you who are on medication, do you have any idea what the effect would be of going without it? The scariest thing about medication withdrawal or side effects is the broad range of symptoms they can present. Every thing from blurry vision, to unconsciousness, to death. These can make first responders and caregivers that are used to being able to "see" what is wrong feel overwhelmed. Especially when they realize that it is a medication issue and none is available.

Most of us know people who have a large box of medications and plan their day around taking them. Are these people in your life going be be weighing on your mind?

Everyone jokes about how whenever there is a threat of bad weather how everyone goes to the store for milk, bread, and toilet paper. Next time you are at Wal Mart or a larger store that has a pharmacy during one of these events, try going over to the pharmacy for a little observation. You will not die without milk, bread, and toilet paper, without medications you or a loved one may. And like everything else, the emotion that eminates from perception may be more deadly than reality. People can become desperate and overwhelmed with little justification. Something to keep in mind.
 
Definately an important aspect of a social breakdown or mass survival situation. I'm currently undergoing immunotherapy for my rheumatoid arthiritis (fun stuff) and have bloodwork done twice a week. Since it's destroying any hope of keeping a steady eating or sleeping pattern and rendering me completely unconstructive I'm weening off of it. Other than that the only thing I really rely on is ibuprophen. I do carry a bottle of mega men's daily vitamins in my survival pack, IMO it's a necessity. A single pill with sufficient vitamins and minerals you won't get from eating a rabbit or a trout every night for dinner can prevent scurvy or about a thousand other easily preventable diseases. I also agree that people overuse medication so they don't have to make simple lifestyle alterations and can keep on living the destructive lives they do.
 
The average number of drugs people on medicare take is ----6/day

some take 12 or more/day

when I tell my patients who are in their 40's that statement i ask them what they are doing to make sure they do not join the group that needs to take 6 drugs/day???

Most say nothing

if you are overweight or obese--you will join that group

If you smoke you might not live long enough to join Medicare
 
Haha if you do ANYTHING you may not live long enough to join medicare. I hope to God I die on some adventure long before I have to take six perscriptions a day.
 
The average number of drugs people on medicare take is ----6/day

some take 12 or more/day

when I tell my patients who are in their 40's that statement i ask them what they are doing to make sure they do not join the group that needs to take 6 drugs/day???

Most say nothing

if you are overweight or obese--you will join that group

If you smoke you might not live long enough to join Medicare

Doc, agreed. What are your feelings on pipes and cigars?. Picked up both about three years ago and they have calmed me down.- George
 
Well mercop once again you post something very thought provoking.

I'm a Diabetic and take 2 different kinds of insulin roughly 5 to 6 times a day along with several meds for high blood pressure and severe acid reflux disease.

I think about this all the time, WTSHTF what would I do? I have my supplies and gear and the training to survive if I have to but what about the meds? the truth is without my insulin I might last 24 hours before I'm so bad that I can't function and take care of myself and/or my wife. thank god we don't have children, I can't imagine having to deal with that as well should that day come.

You are right, I can only get my supplies (meds) every 3 months. I'm very happy to say that my dr. has given me scrips for more than I really need so in time I have saved a little stash. by the way - my insulin won't last forever, it too has an experation date.

As always, great thread and I thank you. :)
 
This is a topic that's very serious to me. When/if the $hit hits the fan people talking about going after food or water...while I talk about raiding the pharmacy.

About two years ago I was diagnosed with myositis, a pretty rare autoimmune condition. It was a difficult diagnosis, and before the docs could figure out what it was I had lost 50 lbs. in short order. Could hardly walk up a flight of stairs. The muscles in my throat got so weak that I couldn't swallow a bite of food without washing it down with water. After trying several different meds, and many months some hard work, I'm back up to about 80% strength. The last 20% will probably never happen, but I know I can get closer with more work. In about six months my doc is going to start reducing my meds to see if we've knocked it into remission. Hoping for the best.

I do have a small stockpile that I rotate out regularly that will keep me going a month past the end of my three month prescription. So, if at the beginning of my prescription I have four months, if at the end I have one month. If it doesn't go into remission, and I'm out of meds, I may need to be taken care of within a month or two.

Take it seriously for the sake of yourself and those you care about.
 
One consideration is the number of folks taking Antidepressants of all types.

Some of those drugs and others as well can lead to convulsions and other often life threatening conditions if suddenly discontinued.

Many folks also take one of several sleep aids which are sold as non addictive since the dose doesn't need to be constantly raised. Most of these will lead to truly debillitating sleep disorders for at least 30 days if discontinued

I am not a doctor and thank God I do not have to take any medications. I see all perscription drugs and the OTC stuff as a last ditch thing and a double edged sword.
However for many they are an absolute neccesity and the lack of their medications can in many cases be life threatening.
 
In a long term survival situation your sleep is going to suffer anyway, if you can irk out a few hours a night you should consider yourself lucky.
 
Does beer count as medication, because if it does I have a whole lot more to say.
 
Beer and coffee, I hope you feel better bro. Glad to hear the docs chime in.- George
 
Im always amazed on the ambulance at how young some people have these huge med lists. Over prescribed and under treated. Crazy.

Meds are something I think about alot. Im happy to say I dont take any meds. Just a multivitamin, and the occasional Tylenol for headaches. Never even take cold meds...Just vitamen C and fluids.

Do drink coffee in the AM, but nowhere near as much as I used to.

However, being in the pt care business, I think about those I will try to help, and their med needs in a "survival" situation. Ones that always come to mind is antibiotics, and insulin...Lasix is a very highly used med. Cardiac drugs save lives. Its crazy to think how vulnerable that makes us as a society....
 
Heres some food for thought...

Diabetes was treated successfully in the early part of the 1900s with a low carb diet. Diabetes was thought to be widely controlled without pills and insulin. It wasnt till the 30s that insulin was developed for tx.. I guess you could try that if needed in a situation where one might need to go without.
 
Its crazy to think how vulnerable that makes us as a society....

Our society only exists to farther rely on more society. This makes us unbelievably vulnerable. I'm thankful I can rely on myself for food, water, transportation etc instead of the limits of society.
 
Our society only exists to farther rely on more society. This makes us unbelievably vulnerable. I'm thankful I can rely on myself for food, water, transportation etc instead of the limits of society.

me too. :thumbup:, there is always natures medicines too for tx of problems. All people need to do is read a book. That could prove to be a very lucrative skill in a barter situation.
 
I take a ,ot of Medications, many, thanks to Uncle Sam. I try to keep a little extra of the most crucial ones but in the end, I would run out, Best thing is, I can only die once even though it often does not sem that way. There are quite a few things in life that are worse than death.
 
All it takes is one small volcano in Iceland to remind us who is really in charge. Pray we don't have a Carrington event in our lifetime, or we will all find out the hard way...
 
The older we get,the more we realize how truly screwed we really are.But,it does no good to worry about it.
 
Doomsday stuff happens all the time-9.0 earthquakes, massive tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, nothing is new that is under the sun. Every time some disaster larger than we can physically cover by ourselves we feel this doomsday panic. I don't understand it, natural disasters have been crushing communities, even societies, since the dawn of humanity. I wonder why people feel all this stuff is suddenly new or that it foreshadows doomsday for our race. Yeah it's sad, but no matter how much TV we watch or UPC codes we use, the reality is that nature wins. That doesn't mean the end of our race, nor does that mean we should ignore it.
 
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