Mega Salyan (Update)

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With the original somewhat sharp edge profile, chopping into a soft iron block than Cliff gave me resulted in zero blade damage. I had planned to gently tap the edge against the block. Due to the weight of the blade my tap had more force than I had intended. The Mega Salyan produced the widest and deepest chop marks on the iron block. The impact pulse may have been extended due to me trying to slow the khukuri down. The metal may have just been pushed aside instead of chopped into.

The Mega Salyan was tested with roofing nails, also with the original somewhat sharp edge. These are the short nails with a large flat head. The quality on the nails I had could not be very good. The nails were chopped on a piece of wood. With each blow the nail was sunk into the wood and cut about half way through. There was no damage to the edge at all. At the moment, I’m not sure if this was due to excellent blade quality, poor nail quality, or I may have found a way to cheat with this chopping test. The nail sunk into the wood, which greatly reduced the shock to the blade. Instead of the chop being a sudden impact, it is similar to hammering the blade through the nail.

We had a downed tree, due to high winds. It broke about 7 ft from the base and the top portion remained attached but snapped over. I don’t know what type of tree it was but it was a deciduous tree. The bark was extremely hard. The Busse No. 5 and Mission MPK did little damage to the bark due to their lightweight. I took my Mega Salyan to chop it down. It took down the 13” diameter tree in about 30 minutes. The extra weight really came in handy for chopping through the bark.

Unfortunately, I found that I tired very quickly from using the 5.75LB khukuri. It turned out that I did not have sufficient endurance to manipulate and hold up the khukuri with one hand. So I tried using two hands. I had great results and the Mega Salyan chopped beautifully, and tight swings were all that was required. The left hand was used mainly to assist in holding up the khukuri and the right hand providing propulsion and aiming. I can not use (or require) two hands on my 22” Ang Khola due to painful vibrations experienced on the rear hand. The Mega Salyan did not vibrate at all and if I had held on a bit tighter it would have been very comfortable to use. Due to my loose grip, I got a few blisters on my left hand. My right hand did not experience any blisters.

My progress was very slow near the end. The final blows before the tree fell over I would hit, listen, and possibly run. Due to the angle of the top I was concern the tree would kick up. When it did go I made a mad dash away from the tree, only to look back to see it had merely tipped over a few degrees onto another down tree. Unfortunately, there is a 1.5” diameter hollow inside of the tree. This would indicate the tree had been rotting and easier to chop down than had it been fresh.

This time I did not have a comparison khukuri along as this tree was a target of opportunity. The 22” Ang Khola (3.75 LB) would have probably given similar performance without the need for using two hands. I suspect the Mega Salyan would be slightly ahead. Anything up to and including an 18” Ang Khola would have taken considerable longer. The bark would have been hard to penetrate with a lesser khukuri. I would have to admit that the 22” Ang Khola is the optimal for me and that I can not handle more khukuri than that, especially with one hand.

Both the blade and handle were undamaged. The blade was considerably duller than when I started. All the testing was done with the original edge with a bit of touch up. The touch up was required due to previous chopping. Despite the Mega Salyan being a bit beyond my capabilities, I like it and enjoyed using it. The stubby appearance is really kind of neat.

Since my initial outing with the Mega Salyan I have only had the opportunity to swing against air and sharpen it. With a bit of practice around the home, I have found I can swing and stop the big khukuri fairly well. It moves slowly but gives me a decent workout. If I hold the khukuri further forward with my hand around the bolster I find that I can control the khukuri quite well. I was able to test its edge by shaving hair off my arm with sufficient control to avoid being cut. I am looking forward to taking the Mega Salyan out again, I suspect my endurance has improved quite a bit as well.

Sharpening the Mega Salyan proved to be an interesting experience. The sharpening process went quite normally until it came time to remove the burr. While removing the burr, I do one side then check to see if it has flopped over to the other side. If required I flip the knife over and file off the burr. I repeat this until the burr does not show up. My hands and forearm got pretty tired flipping the khukuri over and over until the burr was removed.

I have had some success with a strop and abrasive, a hair shaving edge was obtained on a couple of kitchen knives, Mission MPK (A2), WW2 khukuri, and Busse No 5 and a failure with the Ti Mission MPK. So, I thought I would try it on my Mega Salyan. After a while I discovered I had removed the Mega Salyan’s ability to shave hair. With more stropping I could not put a hair shaving edge on this khukuri but the edge did feel sharp. Also, I found that it did not cut quite as well. I was also getting tired from repeatedly flipping over the heavy khukuri. Perhaps, I should construct a strop with closed cell foam and sandpaper.

Will

 
Will
Great update.Chopping with that Salyan for no matter how long,is feat unto itself.My Salyan is a baby in comparison,at only 14.5" and 1.25lbs.
Your 22" AK, would be my pick as a working khukuri also.

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Ray
 
Ray,

I get along well with my 22" Ang Khola. I like it because I can outchop the smaller khukuri's without really working with it. I am extremely unwilling to part with this knife for fear of not being able to find another like it. I do use the smaller khukuri's a lot more often.

Long Rifle

It picutred in this thread:
http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum53/HTML/000109.html

The basic dimensions of the khukuri are O.A.L. 20.5”, 4.055” at its widest, blade length approximately 13”, 0.808” at its thickest and 2 5687 g or 5.65 LB. The circumference of the handle is 5.5”. The handle rosewood (very nice) and as are handles on the chakma and karda.

The correct weight is 5.65 LB, my memory of 5.75 LB is wrong.

Even though the handle was very large I was surprised to find I had no problems controlling or handling the Mega Salyan, even when it did not bite the wood.

Will

 
Will
Never part with any of them,you may justify it at the time but you will always regret it;I know.
To me using them,working with a wide range of sizes and weights;for me that is THE HIV.

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Ray
 
Will, I've had similar experiences regarding the sharpening of khuks -- situations where it appears as if I've actualled blunted the cutting edge while attempting to sharpen it. I've had edges that would originally shave hair, but never afterward, regardless of how much effort I put into sharpening them (even though the edges felt sharp when I ran my thumb across them).

I've read all the posts about sharpening and I've tried a number of different techniques and sharpeners, but I still find myself unable to consistently get a razor edge. I hope that one of these days I'll get it figured out. In fact, I'm hoping that if I do get to make it to the Khuk Khunvention I'll find someone willing to show me the best sharpening techniques and methods.
 
Will, nice update, the Salyan I has was significantly lighter than yours (similar in weight to my 22" AK but more blade heavy) but my memory of its performance is similar to what you describe. It was a better chopper than the AK.

Concerning stropping, if the blade is too heavy it will sink too deep into the strop and the edge will be rounded out and blunted. You can simulate this by just pressing really hard on a light blade.

-Cliff
 
Steven
There are many things you can lean about what angle to put on a blade for what job.I know that a 30 degree on axes,20 to 25 on most general purpose blades,some like 17 degrees.The sharper the angle the thinner the edge and all that.You just have to get both sides the same,if you do that the edge will be sharp.There are many kinds of sharpening systems out there that make it easy to keep an edge at the same angle on both sides,you can take your pick,spiderco,lansky,DMT,are some of mine.
"JUST MAKE BOTH SIDES EVEN."

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Ray
 
How can that knife weigh 5.65 lbs and be only 20" long? That is one hell of a knife. No offense it's kinda ugly, but I bet it chops like an axe.
Matthew

[This message has been edited by LongRifle (edited 06-14-2000).]
 
Ray, thanks for the sharpening tip. And, Uncle Bill, I look forward to checking out the crock stix. At $1.95 the price is certainly right!
 
Matthew, you think it's ugly, too! At last, I have an ally. Some guys think this megaSalyan is the most beautiful knife in the world!

Will, did you tell me the megaSalyan was the most beautiful knife in your collection -- or was that somebody else?

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Blessings from the computer shack in Reno.

Uncle Bill
Himalayan Imports Website
Khukuri FAQ
 
Ray,

I don't plan to sell any of my khukuri's but you can never tell what happens in the future. I have a use for each khukuri and each has its own purpose, well at least in my mind.


Cliff,

You are correct. I tried experimenting with more pressure with the lighter knives (MPK). The edge rounded. The MPK would not shave after stropping with heavy pressure. I'll try a denser surface or reduced pressure.

Do you know much more abrasive sand paper is compared to the green abrasive compond from Lee Valley if it is of the same grit?

Long Rifle

The simple answer, its thick and wide or generally stubby. We all know stubby characters weight a lot. Actually, I weighted the Mega Salyan on the scale at I work and at the postal outlet, but still can not believe it is so heavy.

Will

 
Steven,

I recall Uncle Bill mentioning that his sharpener might have come from K-Mart (a customer had sent it in to him). Sorry if I'm wrong but my memory is not so good either.

Uncle Bill,

It would not have been me calling the Mega Salyan the "most beutiful" khukuri or knife. I called it beutiful but it my 16.5" WWII would certainly look better.

Will
 
Will the CrO compound from Lee Valley is something like 10 000 grit or 0.5 Micron, twice as fine as the 8000 grit Japanese Waterstone. You can get very fine sandpaper though, 2000 grit and up but I doubt they go that fine.

-Cliff
 
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