Metal detecting a family site turns up a knife--help with ID?

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The only other hobby that I have that has me sucked in more than traditional knives is metal detecting, and for me, even more addicting is detecting areas that have strong, historical family ties.

I swung my detector in my grandmother's garden last week, and a pocket knife turned up.

They've owned the farm since the late forties, but it dates back to the early-mid 1800's.

It's possible that the knife belonged to my grandfather, which would make it priceless to me (even in the state it's in), but most likely, it belonged to someone who lived there before him. (I know he carried Barlows, most likely at least since the mid-1950's, and this isn't a barlow.)

I'm not expecting miracles or a positive ID. I'm just asking for a point in the right direction pattern or brand-wise (hopefully both) from the experts here. (Interestingly enough, this find has pushed me off the fence on ordering a forum knife--you'll see why.)

Before I post the pics, here's what I know.

1. It definitely dates before 1986, 90% sure it dates before the mid-1950's, and 75% sure before the late 1940's.

2. It's 4" long (closed), 3/4" wide at the wider bolster line and 9/16" wide at the narrow bolster end. It's 11/16" deep/fat at the bolster line on the fatter end (knife turned on it's spine, looking down and measuring.) No way to measure the narrower end.

3. It has solid nickel/silver bolsters and brass liners with a brass center divider, which (I assume) means 2 springs and 2 blades.

4. 3 pins on each side (one main larger pin near the spine and 2 smaller pins at each end) and an additional pin hole on one side, which I assume held a shield.

5. The wide bolster is 'candle-tip' shaped. Narrow end is squared off, but still rounded.

What I don't know--blade types/lengths, handle material, brand.

Here are the pics:

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As I said, I don't expect anyone to give me real specifics on the knife. Due to the historical relation to my family, I would simply like to pick up as similar a pattern as possible, based on what I know and what others may be able to tell me about what I've found. Any help at all is appreciated--thanks in advance!
 
Very close, but the larger bolster has more of a point to it than the case in your pic.
 
Looks like a teardrop jack to me as well. Schatt and Morgan produced knives with the candle-tip rear bolster.
 
Pretty cool. I used to metal detect a bit. I got plenty of quarters that were hit by lawn mower blades at parks. I liked volley ball courts, and the beach, but I always got the, "aren't you supposed to be retired to do that?" I just replied, "nope". I never found anything of huge value, but it was fun. I did eventually sell it, as I was not using it, and needed money. I cannot tell by the pics of what pattern it was, but good luck in your quest, and what you are doing is pretty cool.
 
My father and I use to metal detect together years ago around old schools. Together we actually built a decent silver coin collection with our detectors. We also found quite a bit of jewelry also. It's really a fun hobby. I miss doing it.
 
A little smaller, but as close as I could get.

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That is half of my Cattaraugus Cutlery collection.
 
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I found a lot of old Barlows with a metal detector. Seems to have been the knife of choice around here. My best find , by far, is a Union infantry hat pin , fully intact and in wonderful condition. Sold it for two hundred dollars a year ago.
 
Yablanowitz,

That Cattaraugus looks about as close as I could hope for--the bolsters are exact. Thanks for posting the pics. Now I need to start looking for one!
 
Very interesting.

I think it could be from very far back as I understand the candle point bolster to be uncommon and from around a century ago? Catt or maybe Ulster? Have a look in the Old Knives thread (one of the best places on the whole forum, fabulous archive, always rewarding) it may well help you. How deep down was it? Looks well chewed up by farm equipment!
 
Very interesting.

I think it could be from very far back as I understand the candle point bolster to be uncommon and from around a century ago? Catt or maybe Ulster? Have a look in the Old Knives thread (one of the best places on the whole forum, fabulous archive, always rewarding) it may well help you. How deep down was it? Looks well chewed up by farm equipment!

It was right.on top, but that makes sense in a spot that has been tilled up year after year for a hundred years or so. I just realized too, that probably 15 feet from where I found the knife, I found an 1840's large cent just sitting on top of the dirt driveway! Maybe they both belonged to the same guy...
 
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