method, wich can be used for any distance

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At first i want to apologize about my poor english. I'm from Germany. ;) I hope you'll be able to understand what I want to tell you:

I have always been throwing my knife using the traditional Hammer-Grip-Method (same movement, wich works only on an special distance with a special knife)
However my purpose is now, to learn a method wich is independent from the distance. But i don't know for sure, how this should work. My problem in getting information is, that every site or book tells me something completly different and I don't know who's right and who's wrong. Everybody seems to preach his method as "the one and only".

As far as I could follow, there seem to be two basic-methods to reach my purpose:

- NO SPIN (no rotation, also known as "quater spin" or "spear throw") To execute this method there are some different ways like this one: http://www.knifethrowing.info/wave-throw.html or this one: http://www.throwzini.com/no-spin-technique.html

- HALF SPIN (always throw a half rotation, wich must be slowed down, if the target is far away. see http://www.throwzini.com/half-spin-technique.html

Was that correct? Do you have anything to add?

Well, now I want to ask you for your opinion: wich of them is the best to learn and wich of them works best? Also I'd like to hear what you think about the mentioned links. Furthermore I'd be glad if someone could give me any Links/How-tos/videos/personal opinions/field report concerning this issue.
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Thanks a lot for reading! :thumbup::thumbup:
 
Try combatknifethrowing.com for information.

You could also do a search on youtube for Houzan Suzuki or Ralph Thorn.
 
I would pursue a "no-spin" technique, using a handle grip.

The follow four people have developed amazing no-spin techniques:

Ralph Thorn
Houzan Suzuki
Yuri Fedin
Wu Lao-Shi

Both Fedin and Lao-Shi employ a half-spin (blade grip) for longer distances.

Sometimes it is most useful to think about the similarities between the four techniques, rather than the differences.

I think Houzan's method and Ralph's method may be the easiest to learn.
 
After reading a few of the threads here I just purchased the Ralph Thorn book from Paladin Press. It worked out slightly cheaper than Amazon did - for me anyway. No association with the company but I have had two books from them in the past with no problems.
 
Hozan Suzuki (I know him personally) developed NOTHING. He showed up at our shuriken school and copied what little he understood and tries to sell it to westerners as his own.
His method is a very low-level understanding of an ancient art. (with his gigantic shuriken and a slow, obvious throw)
If you really want to learn shurikenjutsu, seek out a real teacher.
 
I'm no shuriken expert and not qualified to comment about Houzan's pure shuriken technique, but I can say that his overall no-spin approach is very scientific and varied and not limited to any one method. I would say that he is constantly experimenting in an attempt to categorize and modernize no-spin throwing of all types. Weapons throwing is like any other martial art; there is always rivalry between schools. Personally I like the "Bruce Lee" approach of not having a school and just taking whatever works, but to each his own.
 
Mr. Suzuki has no school; he is just a weird guy who dresses funny and tries to make money and a reputation in the west by selling what little he understood from real teachers, representing it as his own. The "no spin" approach, as you call it has been used for throwing swords, knives and shuriken in Asia for more than a thousand years. He didn't develop or invent anything. When you visit someone's dojo, you don't presume to teach them your own made-up, low-level skills. You listen to the teacher and try to do as he instructs. You especially don't turn around and bilk unknowing westerners out of their money by pretending to have a school of shurikenjutsu.
It's just a matter of respect.
 
Any unknowing westerner who learned to throw using a different technique from someone is hardly being bilked.
 
Hey am a newbie about knives all I know about them is that we use them for cutting some veggies, meat, fruits and other cooking stuff. So what type/kind of knife do you usually use in this trick?
 
I was thinking of getting a few cheap mora knives, removing the handle and then rehandling with tape as suggested in the combat throwing book.

You guys who know better - does this sound like a viable idea?
 
DannyinJapan said:
Mr. Suzuki has no school; he is just a weird guy who dresses funny and tries to make money and a reputation in the west by selling what little he understood from real teachers, representing it as his own. The "no spin" approach, as you call it has been used for throwing swords, knives and shuriken in Asia for more than a thousand years. He didn't develop or invent anything. When you visit someone's dojo, you don't presume to teach them your own made-up, low-level skills. You listen to the teacher and try to do as he instructs. You especially don't turn around and bilk unknowing westerners out of their money by pretending to have a school of shurikenjutsu.
It's just a matter of respect.
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How exactly is Houzan Suzuki "bilking unknowing westerners out of their money"?

What is he selling?

I make and sell the shuriken that he designed. He has surrendered all design rights; he does not charge me a royalty. The prints for his throwers are publicly posted on YouTube and on his website. Houzan does not financially benefit from flyingsteel.com whatsoever.

He does sell a DVD; however most of the content is posted on YouTube. As far as I perceive, the purpose of the DVD is to offer one the convenience of having all the video footage on one disk.

Houzan has given thousands of dollars worth of merchandise to hundreds of people across the globe, as a gift.

You are correct, in a traditional sense, that Houzan does not have a school. His school is "virtual," i.e. the YouTube page, his website, the DVDs, and the books. He does not exchange money for personal lessons if I understand correctly.

You are also correct that Houzan's basic technique has been used in Asia for thousands of years. Houzan makes that abundantly clear in his media.

I certainly respect your right to have an opinion regarding the source of Houzan's technique and the quality of his technique. But I challenge the notion that Houzan is financially benefiting from his shuriken throwing.
 
Hi guys. I am looking for an allround survival/combat knife which is suitable for the no spin throwing style as well. I'm looking at some knives from RangerKnives at the moment, the R.A.K the SHIV and the SHANK. Does anyone have throwing experience with them? Other suggestions would be appreciated.
 
I've just started throwing knives and my first set were these cheap $15 ones that bent every time I threw one. Just wondering if someone could tell me some good brands that they like
 
GrAffman said:
I've just started throwing knives and my first set were these cheap $15 ones that bent every time I threw one. Just wondering if someone could tell me some good brands that they like
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I bought the Hibben knives that AG Russell sells, no problems with them so far. I wouldn't buy expensive ones unless you're really into the sport.
 
Buy some SKS rifle bayonets. They make a sturdy thrower and are easy to modify, also cheap considering what you get. Google CDNN, they often have them.
 
As much as I love mocking teachers of what they do, or do not know, This thread is about throwing knives. I kindly recommend staying to the topic, and starting a different thread for deciding who's selling cheap knife DVDs.

I found that cold steel actually has a line of okay throwing knives. they are quite expensive though. I don't know if there worth the price.
 
I have found the best throwing knife for the "no-spin" and half-spin techniques is the sks and ak-47 bayonet. Simply remove the lug assy. and tape till your hearts content.

I hope this rekindles a decent topic.
 
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