Mick SnG question number 99,999!

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Mick one more SnG Question since mine is on the WAY!!!! Did I say that yet!!! :) :)

Can't freakin wait.

Its not as great as when my son was born in October but....

He will inherit the SnG and I have his first knife ready, just like my DAD gave me my first knife and sharpening stone a LONG time ago...

Brings a tear to my eye.

Anyway, what type of washers are in the SnG?????

After all this useless washer talk I was just curious.

BY THE WAY... my GB just got back from a trip to Cape Cod, I dropped it in freazing cold salt water, then through it in the snow in the back of my truck after opening steamers for dinner then washed off all the ice and gunk with steaming hot water. GUESS WHAT no problems.

I TRUST STRIDER WITH MY LIFE.
 
Say, Mick, about this adhesive deal...

My AR works just fine. And I also know what the words "life time guarranty" mean. But did you ever consider a similar event in history pertaining to the Colt Officer's ACP in the mid 1980's?

Back when this small pistol came out, some gun writer must have commented on how small and fragile the front bushing looked. There was a never-ending stream of comments on how this part could break and tie the gun up. The paranoia never happened, more than any other part breaks.

However, an 'upgrade' kit came out. With heavier lugs and a minor modification, the new bushing would make the pistol 'more durable.' BTW, I put 8,500 rounds through mine and it NEVER stuttered.

Maybe to silence these whiners you should come up with a non-adhesive 'upgrade' for the AR. Of course, this will be a 'custom' part, hand fit, and hence REALLY expensive. But this verbal crap would end.

(Please make me an SnG! We Mediterranean Malcontents have NO patience! Thanks for the great AR!)
 
Ichabod, let's look at this for a moment, since I am one of the whiners that you speak of. I have one of the 7 ARs that had the original problem with the adhesive. I paid the shipping costs to return it to Strider and I believe I paid $10 to have Strider return it to me. It is now 4 months later and I am again having a problem with the knife-it creeps open, which makes it unsafe to use. Now I have $350 in the knife and another $60 or so for the kydex sheath and double thumb lugs. For over $400, I have a right to expect that the knife will work safely and reliably, each and every time I use it. If your AR works as you expect it to, that's great and I am happy for you. But the fact is mine does not-why do you feel that I should not be entitled to the same performance that you have? The verbal crap from me will end when the knife works as is reasonably expected.
 
That’s an interesting thought.
The problem is that it is actually a down grade.

The forums are an interesting place. Here, you get to hear what is on everyone’s mind, good or bad.
The problem is that it is generally opinion. Around 10 now, of the however many AR/GB frame knives we have sold, have had issues with the adhesive. Amazingly enough, they are also knives of the VERY first batch of knives that I did not personally assemble. We are finding that the actual issue is generally that the knives were shipped with the pivot a little tight. Which preloads and turns the bearings, this breaks the bond over time and becomes an issue.

The adhesive, though a popular discussion topic these days, is not an issue at all.
We didn’t use it on accident.
Its not like some fell on the knife and we decided to leave it there.
I spent about 6 months researching how to deal with the issue at hand: Find a way to insulate the bearings without using sub standard material.
The reason we are not willing to use something other than bronze is that it degrades too quickly in the surf. Sand and Salt water are VERY abrasive.

We will gladly make an AR/GB frame knife without the adhesive, but don’t think for a minute that it is an upgrade.
Any of you have your adhesive turn a bit greenish? If the answer is yes, your adhesive has done its job and retarded electrolysis.

Talk to you soon

m
 
Greg Jones,

Whoa! No injury intended! My point was that small, niggling parts problems are common to all manufacturers. Just look at some of the jive Ernie has had to put up with.

I'm sorry about your knive(s). Sure, I have stuff that breaks and fails; sometimes it's a custom 1911A1 that I just paid a few thousands for--in cash.

But let's face it, guys like Ernie and Mick are going to fix your stuff. For example, when my SnG comes, then my AR will go back to Mick because the blade sits too high in the handle. But don't you think that this problem should first be discussed--in private--with a member of Mick's customer service department?

Same with Dillon Precision. It breaks, they fix or replace it, no quarrels. The best idea is to surround yourself with people of this kind of integrity as your vendors and jobbers.

Greg, again, I apologize. What you didn't know was that I was a purchasing agent for an upscale dental firm with +20 rich dentists. I got my tail chewed every time a set-screw stripped. Mick sells knives for demanding uses and he backs them up. My guess is that some of the stuff he gets for 'repair' looks like it went through a trash compactor.
 
Originally posted by Ichabod Poser
But don't you think that this problem should first be discussed--in private--with a member of Mick's customer service department?

The first time I had a problem-yes, I believe your suggestion is the correct approach. An excellent customer service response would be "Not a problem, send it back and we will make it right for you." That's precisely what happened back in August when I first had the problem.

Now it is December and I again have a problem. I have no doubt that if I call the Strider guys again, they will again tell me that they will fix the knife. However, I this point I have to suspect that there is some other factor contributing to the problem, perhaps a particular brand of lubricant. The only way to find a common factor is to throw the problem out in the open and see what others have to say. A few people thing it might be Rem Oil or Millitech-1, and I have used both. Perhaps it is not related to anything at all, and I was just unlucky in that my pivot was too tight-twice.

Either way, when I get it back from Strider this time I will use a lubricant that others have not had a problem with. At least now, by posting my question here, I believe that I am now better informed on how to prevent it from reoccurring again.

Mick, do I need to call for a RA number or just send it in with a note?
 
I've had my AR since feb 2001. I've had it in the ocean, the desert, freezing temps to -16F, and everything in between. I've never put so much as a drop of oil on my knife. All I ever have had to do was rinse in fresh water. Can't figure out why you are oiling already oil impregnated bronze washers.
 
Why am I olling mine? Well, I have always oiled my knives going back to when I was in the fertilizer business and was around materials that would rust a knife shut overnight if not protected. Also, I have seen several threads here on what the best lubricant is to use on an AR/GB. I recall that Mick once mentioned that he uses olive oil or Mobil 1 on his knives. I missed it if Strider now recommends that they not be lubricated.
 
I could see lightly oiling the blade itself. Helps prevent rust. However, the pivot is already oil impregnated. For me, its enough. I guess maybe you get in contact with chemicals that I don't. Perhaps these chemicals are part of the problem.
 
Try puting some in your eye!

Oil should not bother it. At the end of the day...if your knife is lame, send it back. Sorry we didn't get it the first time.

Maybe its you?.....(joke)

We have a customer named Gary who always rusts his knives.
HE makes them rust. Have not really figured that one out yet.

hey there Ryan

m
 
I took a real good look at it last night and the spacers are pivoting with the blade, so the adhesive has broken loose. My SnG arrives today, so I'll have something new to play with for awhile! I'll send the AR back in for new glue the first of the week.
 
Originally posted by Mick Strider
We have a customer named Gary who always rusts his knives.
HE makes them rust. Have not really figured that one out yet.


Sheeeze, I remember in the old Glock List we had a guy who rusted Glocks with his own sweat. He litterly had to carry them covered in oil and that didn't help much.
 
Mick, FedEx just dropped off my AR. It is now smooth as butter; not at all like before! Thanks for taking care of it for me.

Greg
 
Firstly, Greg this is not aimed at you.
Over the years I have seen people flame out and make all kinds of accusations about Strider after sales care. As someone who worked at Strider and is no longer an employee of the company I can give you an insight into how things go there. Any blade that came back and there wasn’t that many were repaired or replaced. Even the ones that came back from the pride filled “hey look, I did it, I managed to take a chunk out of my $350 knife”. We even smiled and said “but of course you did”.
Only once was there an issue where someone tried to blatantly abuse the spirit of the warranty. I suggested we dig a hole and put him in it, but Mick and Duane said no, and replaced 2 knives. They did however let him the hole was dug for the next time.
There is only one other type of return. The knife that comes back with the laundry list of faults and the snotty note. Usually we would all gather around the knife and offer a prize to the first to spot any fault. It was seldom that anyone won the prize. These people should go dig their own hole so as they have something better to do.
Anyway the moral is if you have a problem it will get fixed, so be cool and don’t flame out.
Happy new year to you all,
Cormac
 
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