Might be getting an AK...

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Gun show in town this weekend and we just unloaded a major money drain!:D

What should I look for? Are there any bad things I should watch out for? Would it be better to buy from a local shop (they've got 'em), or from a dealer at the show? Looking to keep the price under $500.

Thanks!
 
if i was looking for an AK i would be tempted to go to gunsnet.net and look in the AK classifieds, i have seen some pretty darned neat AK's for sale in the $4-600 range, usually w/comps/brakes/trigger groups/diff stocks/etc/etc, much cheaper than doing it yourself. of course ya gotta go thru a dealer/etc, so its some hassle to do also.

look at a romanian WASR its pretty cheap and a good rifle also. IIRC some of them come std w/a brake and decent wood. or the SAR's are good too. dont worry too much anout the wood as ya can get replacement stocks fairly cheap now, and they install very easy.

i have a romanian MK11 AK74 w/a Bsquare side scope mount w/an old aimpoint and a east german folding stock, a good shooting/good looking/ very reliable rifle for about $400, not a bad deal imho, shoots the 5.45X39MM which is a little harder to find than 7.62X39, but not that big a deal nowadays.. the romanians have a side mount were ya can install scopes and stuff, if ya do want a scope ya should get 1 of those imho. also have a egyptian maahdi w/a comp and EG bakelite stock, again a very good rifle for about $400 total, probably less than that, so, as ya can see ya outta be able to get something pretty cool for that price range as long as ya stay away from prebans/special models/etc..

i would stick with either chinese, romanian, bulgarian or egyptian myself, all of these are good barring a lemon here and there, i wouldnt get a 10 round mag version of one myself unless restricted by law, though i have heard ya can modify them easily to accept the 30 rnd mags, too much hassle for me. also look and see if the front sight is canted to 1 side/another, this is common too i have heard, and again is easily corrected but imho its better to get a good 1 to start.

also tons of stuff ya can get to add on, just like a AR15, imho once ya get a good stock, and a scope mount if ya want optics, i would skip the rest of the geegaws myself, if nothing else they add lots of weight and really arent neccesary imho.

i really like the AK series, have had a lot of fun with mine.
 
what are you looking for in a ak? heres my bulgarian.

i like my ak but personally, the ak47 grew old on me QUICK. there nothing but a bullet hose. if you want something usefull go after a m1 carbine or a m1 garand.

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KaBar said:
what are you looking for in a ak? heres my bulgarian.

i like my ak but personally, the ak47 grew old on me QUICK. there nothing but a bullet hose. if you want something usefull go after a m1 carbine or a m1 garand.
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I notice the thong is in focus but the AK47 is out of focus. Good cameraman or bad :D
 
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that better?

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if you want a tip of advice from somebody who ownes quite a few guns, find something better than a ak. a garand has quite a bit more firepower if thats what your looking for. theres no other rifle in the world that i would choose in self defence over a garand. i keep one with a enblock of fragmentory anti aircraft ammo next to my bed.

put two men at opisit sides of a field about 1000 yards apart, one with a ak and one with a garnad and let them start walking twards each other. who do you thinks going to drop first?

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another good choice is a m1 carbine. i just recently traded this gun in for a tommy gun but ive made the deal and am picking up a rock-ola (juke box company) m1 carbine tommarow. it would easily be my second choice for defending my self. the carbine is more virsital by far, i like to shoot pistol silioutes with them.

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my other choices for a self defence/general purpious rifle would be a tommy gun, followed by a sks, followed by a ak47 in that order. i like all three of these rifles but the downfalls to me out weigh the advantages to each one. i could talk all night about what i like and or dont like about each one but that would be rather pointless :p
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nice garand. for SD i would rather have an M1A though. my bud has 1 and they are a lot of fun to shoot though. if they are so great though why did the US army adopt the M14/M16? i dont really need a 1000 yard rifle for SD if they are 1000 yards away they pose no threat to me, i guess the US army agrees, anyway they have much better stuff for that range (artillery/etc)

i would pass on an M1 carbine though for SD, i guess with newer bullets they might be ok but my father cursed them till the day he died he had one in WW2 for a while till he got a garand, in a nutshell he said they didnt work well for him. when i was younger i always wanted one but he wouldnt allow one in the house, got one in the early '80s, didnt have very good luck with it, and sold it, i would as soon have a mini14 and i dont like them very much really.

as far as AK's for SD its hard to argue with most of the world using one, they sure seem to work for the bad guys. i can hit a 12" plate at 300 yds which is about all i need FWIW. and the 7.62X39 has been killing folks for over 50 yrs. the muslim extremists swear by them.

sometimes a bullet hose is just what ya need.

also hard to argue that an AR15 would work well in that role, my colt lightweight has a aimpoint&surefire light and would be the rifle i grabbed first in a bad situation. unless the range was over 400 yrds or so then i would take my rem 700 7 mag w/a 6-18X scope,
 
I've got a 12 guage for self defense that should work just fine. I want an AK mainly for plinking and fun, and because it's one of the coolest looking weapons out there. It will be my first weapon of that type, so I'm looking for something simple to operate and dependable. Considering that they're used all over the world from grandpas to young kids, I think it should fit the bill.

I was asking here to see if there's anything I should avoid, what extras I should ask for, what else I should get along with the weapon; weather I should get one from the local store or at gun show...that sort-o-thing.

Thanks for the advice so far! I mentioned to the wife about getting one and she wasn't... negative... so that a good sign! :cool:
 
I'm a fan of the AK and think that you should get one or three. The WASR is a good place to start, as it isnt too costy. They have crappy construction and are stamped rather than forged, but they go bang every time. AKs are very simple in design and highly dependable. Ammo is cheap too. After you get a WASR or two, consider one of the nicer Aks like the "Arsenal" brand they make out in Las Vegas. They are a big step up the food chain in terms of quality construction, and are probably $500. And at across-the-bedroom distances, I doubt that the badguy will know whether that was a 5.56 or .308 or 7.62 that just went thru his spine.

Edited to add: if you get a WASR, make sure that its been milled out to accept standard AK mags. Some are and some are. You definitely want one that is.

best regards
 
for SD i would rather have an M1A though. my bud has 1 and they are a lot of fun to shoot though. if they are so great though why did the US army adopt the M14/M16?

the garand is that good, the m14, m21 sniper rifle, m1a, and to a lesser degree the mini 14 are all spin offs of the basic garand design. the armed forces, along with law enforcement agencys and target shooters are still using variants of the origional m1 today. infact, the m1a is basically a semi auto m14.

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as far as ak's go why not build one from a kit? its cheaper and when your done with it its "your" rifle, you can build it how ever you want and if your licky you can find one with a battle field carved stock. if i ever do get another ak thats the route that ill be going but the prices are going to rise soon. the barrel ban is comming in to affect and after this year you wont find any more new kits in america.

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Hey KaBar, I have some questions for you, but cannot PM or email you... gimme a holler either by PM or email me at rngdvm@aol.com Questions are regarding M1 Garands from CMP, and a basic M1 question or two.
Thanks, Mongo
 
whatever lol, point being none of them other than the '21 sys is military issue in any major country in the world anymore, garands rocked in the '40s and are still nice rifles but it would be waaaay down my list for SD in the 21st century.
 
be carefull in buying used ak's, alot of people buy them just to abuse them. ive seen some pretty nasty aks floating around with smooth bores and ive even seen a few melted hand guards. ivw had mine so hot from that 75 round drum once that it cooked the oil off of the barrel and gas tube. i had to shove it in to a wet bail of hay to cool it down. this is a rather extreame example. http://www.aardvarkfirearms.com/videos/AK47-5.mpg

what you want to look for are "evil features" like threadded barrels, flash hiders, pistol grips, folding stocks, and bayo lugs. if theres another assault weapons bad down the road guns with those features are grand fathered in and bring HUGE sums of money if you ever decide to sell. the same thing goes for high cap mags. i payed 100 bucks for that drum of mine and if theres another ban i could probably get 2-3 times that amount.

stay away from "ban style" guns. after the 89 ban, assault weapons could only have one "evil feature" in 94 the domestic aks fell under the same laws but they could have 2 "evil features" these stocks were put on alot of aks to get around the ban. the bad thing about them besides that there ugly as sin is that alot of companys cut the reciever under the stock so that a pistol grip could never be installed if somebody wanted to convert there ak. ive seen them both ways and sence most gun shops wont let you dissasemble a rifle before buying its a gamble on if your getting a good one or not.
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theres also a issue with compliance parts, for a ak47 you are allowed to have up to 10 imported parts on the list in your weapon and it is considered US made. 11 parts or more and it is considered foreign made. most rifles contain about 15 or so parts on the list, so you have to replace these excess parts with US made ones to keep the rifle "US made" and not subject to the import ban. companys to make a ak legal replace certin parts with us made parts, sometimes one of those "compliance parts" is the magizine its self :thumbdn: that basically means if you dont do your homework and buy something that one of the comliance parts is the mag if you replace the mag with something non us stamped (like many high cap mags and drums) your breaking the law, i beleve its a felony to. i offered to let a guy use my drum one time because his mag was not feeding right, i was turned down because he did not want to go to jail if we got caught.

TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 44, § 922(r) This one is the LAW:

(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925 (d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to—
(1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.

The Agency that is responsible for enforcement of that law then writes the regulations implementing the law. It works that way for OSHA, EPA, BATFE, etc. Those regulations are then as good as law. The courts have historically been loathe to invalidate the regulations.

The regulations concerning 922(r) are:

27 CFR section 178.39

(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle, or any
shotgun, using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in
paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is
prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not
being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to
sporting purposes.

(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:

(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or
distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United
States or any department or agency thereof, or to any
State or any department, agency, or political subdivision
thereof; or

(2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for the
purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the
Director under the provisions of section 178.151; or

(3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been
imported into or assembled in the United States prior to
November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any part of such
firearm.

(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts are:

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or
stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
(5) Muzzle attachments
(6) Bolts
(7) Bolt carriers
(8) Operating rods
(9) Gas pistons
(10) Trigger housings
(11) Triggers
(12) Hammers
(13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
(15) Buttstocks
(16) Pistol grips
(17) Forearm handguards
(18) Magazine bodies
(19) Followers
(20) Floorplates
 
It might all be moot...

My wife and I picked up a Walther P-22, for us to share, and even though I had my Missouri Pistol Purchase Permit with me, I got turned down... :(

Then we looked at the AK's. There were a couple tables that had them new-in-box (with the box and all the accesories) Romainian(sp), for $319 & $339. I was ready to try again for one of those, but the wife was in a hurry (she had a hair appointment), and they didn't have a way to process my credit card.

Thanks for all the advice, it's made for interesting and educational reading.
 
those are wsar10s, before you buy one make sure there actually high cap models. you can mod the low cap model but its a pita and ive seen some SLOPPY hack jobs.

the main way to tell a wsar 10 is that theres no dimples on the side of the reciever to hold the magizine in place. the mag guides are welded in place on the wsar10s. for 30-30 bucks more you might be able to find the a sar1, there ALOT better of a deal than a wsar10.

you could go the route of a saiga, they are real russian ak variants and are chambered in about every round that you could ever want including 12 gauge.
 
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