Mike Turber...are you the Forum "Gestapo"?

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UNBELIEVABLE...A first post by Forum Member, under baldes for sale by individuals, who claims to have "struck a wise deal" for Battle Mistresse...and the VOICE OF GOD says "if he makes a profit, HE'S A DEALER...LOCK THE SITE...TAKE YOUR CHILDREN OFF THE STREET ...INVESTIGATE HIS MANHHOD!" Mike, you're an unimaginably uptight person - must be difficult just getting to sleep combing the Forum looking for the "profiteers." How sad such a noble thing has come to be...how sad.
 
Well I think we need to realize that;

1 It is HIS site
2 He does watch for the masked man posing as a normal joe like us that all of the sudden has 14 of one type of knife for sale, plus being this persons first post, fishy is as fishy does. So Mike has to protect this FREE site and still try to gather up some money from the dealers.

If this person came on and just said `Hey I have a Busse for sale and didn't let on he had 14, just let the email do it for him, I don't think Mike would have gone to the trouble of shutting down the post.

Just my opinion but then again I didn't go through the pain of setting up and maintaining this little Steel City.

G2, done for now....I guess
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You know, for a dealer who is too cheap to pay for advertising on the very site he made sales off of, your words fall on deaf ears, Howling Moose.

You are one of our prime examples of just why we made the dealer forum for Paying Advertisers only. The fact that you are now just complaining now that the free ride is over isn't going to win any sympathy points, and I don't think anyone is going to buy that you are protesting out of "goodness of your heart" against Mike "GooseStepping" Turber...

Spark

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Interesting comment!

The way I see it, Mike has a nasty job to do and someone has to do it. Since this is his forum, he can do anything he wants including kicking you or me off the forum.

I'm sure that Mike doesn't need me or anyone else to defend his actions, but I see nothing wrong with what he did. If you are really unhappy about it, perhaps you might wish to look elsewhere. May I suggest rec.knives?

Of course, I might be wrong.
 
Hey Howling Moose, let me be one of the first of many replying to you about this post. #1 I.M.H.O, anybody who has this many New Battle Mistress's at that price, is NOT selling them as an Individual. #2 Mike only locked the thread out, he did not delete it so if anybody is still interested, they can contact this individual,{he could have deleted it}. #3 From what I have seen, Mike is only trying to pay the bills to keep this website open. #4 & finally, this person obviously is in it for the profit,{High Price}. That Forum is for everyday people who want to buy & sell their own personal knives, NOT for someone with a profit motive selling multiple new identical knives. He can pay the money for a banner like all the rest of the dealers. If he was not so obvious about it, he could have easily sold them one at a time. Give Mike a break & don't use such ridiculous inflammatory language such as "Gestapo". You're really going to get some of the older folks on this forum angry. They know what the "Gestapo" was, you don't, Period.

Doug
 
At that price, I doubt that he's selling them at all.
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Hey Moose,

Just pay for the banner ad and move into the dealer forum. You'll make your money back and Mike will become your best friend! He gets that way when you give him money.

You know those little classified ads in the back of Blade Magazine, yep you guessed it they make you pay for those too.

Hell, Knives Illustrated makes you pay $50.00 just to put your email address in there.

Moose, it's a fact of life. Someone has to pay for all this. Those of us who make a buck or two off the site, should give something back.

More to the point, I know this Turber guy. He can be a real "Stubborn" guy (Hi Mike). Since, as others have correctly pointed out, it is his site. Either buy the banner ad or don't post. It's his world!

You know the best thing about banging your head against the wall, is that it feels great when you stop!

Take Care,

Les
 
Howling Moose, you're stepping over the line. As others have said, this is Mike's site, but he is acting in the best interest of the people here.

Even if the guy isn't a dealer, he's trying to take advantage of members here. I don't like that and I doubt that Mike does either.

I'll admit to selling a few knives for more than what I paid for them, but I still offered them at fair price. I happened to pick them up for a rediculously low price and can resell them without being unethical. I'm just trying to make $5 when I can, softens the blow on my knife habit.
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This guy is trying to make at least $50 a knife, 14 times, all at one whack!!

Mike is in no way "the Gestapo" and is just keeping people honest, dealers and average joes alike. Mike, carry on, I'd bet you have the support of the majority here.
 
Hey Moose,

Don't take "no democracy" for "Gestapo". It's on Mike's shoulders to make it run here, then he also gets to make decisions whatever they are.

The beauty of the Internet is that everybody that doesn't like Mike's rules/decisions is free to start their own site.
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And just to be clear, I LIKE Mike's "no democracy" site. I see this place grow and stay organized. And I have more and more fun here.

Cheers,
Kris
 
Moose,

You owe Mike an apology. There is one primary rule on BF, BE NICE and you broke it. Your post was insulting and beneath contempt. Even if you had a valid point, nobody wants to hear it when you open your topic with a slap in the face. If you're looking for a sympathetic ear on this one you picked the wrong place, wrong time and wrong crowd.

BTW, I just wonder what got you so cranked up over this issue. Is this guy actually some poor schmuck trying to sell off his 14 NIB Busse collection to pay for his granny's gall bladder operation? Is he your brother-in-law? Something tells me this is more than just a protest for the rights of the "little guy". I may be wrong. I've been wrong before.

Blackdog

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Blackdog said it right.

And Moose - read some history books or go to the holocaust museum. I am Jewish and I lost some of my family in the death camps put up and run by the Gestapo. Nazi - is one word I try not to use against anyone.

I think an apology is in place.

 
Originally posted by lifter4Him@aol.com:
Aaah, could the Howling Moose and the seller be one and the same???
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This is what is usually referred to as "stating the obvious..."
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Howling Moose , don't go away mad,,,,, just go away!!!!

I know I took it from a good flick but it fits , don't ya think??
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Hmmm...I wonder if the IRS would see the sale of 14 Battle Mistress knives as being a 'private' sale?
 
Actually a call to Busse could put this to rest. I am sure Busse would know who bought 14 or more BM's. The premium price is not a problem-if you don't want to spend the money then wait. Also are they the older style or the new-there are people who will pay for the older style instead of the new especially if they have the old sheaths and maybe even the older grind? Personally I think it is fairly easy to figure out whats going on.... I think mister moose is just howling......
 
Hmm...interesting. I won't make any assumtions because they almost always turn out to be wrong and down outright embarrassing
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By the way Moose, Spark or Mike could VERY easily have shut down this thread, locked it, deleted it..you name it!

I mean, accusing Mike of being the Forum Gestapo pretty much gives 'em free reign take whatever course of action they choose. But it wasn't closed down or locked, was it? They're not all that lock-happy around here
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Mikes just doing his job. It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it.

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WOW, now my ads for blades never generated any responses like that...hmmm, food for thought - a little "provocative speech" before the list,...yeah, that would work
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- Mike...my apology to you for the "slam" - nothing personal, actually. As you will note, I am "resting" as a dealer and will, in all like-lyhood join the "posse" at a later date.

- However, the notion that buying a blade at a reasonable price (and RETAIL, gentlemen, for ANY production blade is really "UN-reasonable") with a motive of marketing it back higher (say 25%) doesn't MAKE you a dealer necessarily...or 90% of the people selling on the Forum would be classified as such. How many times have any of you (me too) gone to a gun/blade show and found "a bargain or two" and turned it for a profit so we could buy that "real slick Custom job" we'd been want'n?, HMMM
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- Then by this previous definition, are you a dealer too?

- Admittedly, the post of 14 BM's looks shady - as perhaps does offering blades as a dealer at actual cost / say 50% of retail or 1-2% profit (which makers like Emerson, among others who promote here pretty angry).

- You are ALL right...when you build your own site, you can do what you want, when you want...that doesn't, however, in and by itself, confer legitimacy to the action. It is merely a "might makes right" policy. The Whitehouse (WJC)does that regularly, yes?

- The word "gestapo" has a generally broad meaning, (ie. "gestapo tactics") - PLEASE, let's not be thought police here...I was just beginning to enjoy the freedom of expression :-}.
 
Hmmm.. I guess, for the "visually impaired", they didn't see those BOLD-LETTERED words there that says "No Dealers Allowed".
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He may or may not be a dealer at all. But what he has, is of commercial quantity (14 knives), and I guess that could be categorized as being a dealer already, at least for those knives that he has.
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He wants to stock up, he wants to earn from the stocks, etc... draw your own conclusion, guys.
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The day Mike becomes a "Gestapo", would be the day when crows turn white.

Dan

 
PS. To my "friend across the ocean", ie. "MJJBECKER" - your comment re: "I wonder what the IRS would think" is interesting in it's own right...very "BIG BROTHER-ISH" from a country (if the reports are true) whose government has confiscated handguns from their citizenry...sorta like they tried to do to the Colonies, R E M E M B E R???
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