Military Overrun Sus Scrofa??? I Think Not...

[Jaxx]

Perusing that sIte today, I noticed a listing for a military overrun Sus Scrofa...

I sat here for a few minutes and thought, "When were these offered by Busse Combat?"

Well, IIRC, they weren't and even if they were, THIS ONE isn't one of them. It is a military overrun style Sus Scrofa, meaning that it was ordered from Busse by the individual who is selling this Scrofa in the combo of Sage coating & black micarta handles.

Keep in mind that if it was a military overrun Busse knife, most likely it would be 'sterile', meaning that it would not have the Busse logo on the flat of the blade.

For the newer members here, please be sure to read the entire description CAREFULLY before assuming that the title is an accurate description of the item, and do your homework!! Don't be fooled by Sellers who may try to slip one past you. This Seller does disclose that it is a MO style Sus Scrofa, but only in the description of the item further down the page, which means that if you win the auction thinking that you have scored an MO Sus Scrofa, and then try to dispute the sale based on the wording in the title when you find out that it is not, you will lose the dispute.

It is a nice Sus Scrofa to be sure, but it is not a military overrun.

Caveat emptor... "Let the Buyer beware"

 

[fugawee]

Good catch Jaxx
Very nice of you to keep
an eye out on the piglets.
(also sharp of you to know where any competition is! )

 

[David Brown]

Good catch Jaxx,

Also keep in mind this same guy has been banned from BF numerous times & even tried to sell knives he was not suppose to, this guy would sell his soul to make a buck.

 

[Lycosa]

You're a true HOG. Thanks. :thumbup:

 

[I'mGatMan!]

Lemme guess...GPRippers, right? Sheesh.

 

[lsheldon]

I've seen some auctions from that seller on that site that looked shady to me. It involved what I beleive to be manipulating auction bidding to inflate selling prices.

I captured a couple of screen shots of the auctions and the bidders info that shows the shady info.

If any one wants further info, you can email me about it.

As Jaxx says, Caveat Emptor.

 

[I'mGatMan!]

He's had some great knives for sale, but after conferring with him a few times about a deal, and seeing how he's comported himself since, he'll not get a penny of my money, nor a moment of my time.

 

[Tohatchi NM]

I think the "ordered in Mil overrun colors" is about right. Ordered an SS with the same colors as the real mil-overrun ADs and MSs that came out about the same time.

Wasn't there a real military associated Sus Scrofa? The full-sized predecessor to the mini-SS? I've never seen such a thing. Just a few rumors that it existed from threads related to the mini-SS, possibly in the possession of a helicopter crew. Regardless, this is not that beast.

 

[Jaxx]

I think the "ordered in Mil overrun colors" is about right. Ordered an SS with the same colors as the real mil-overrun ADs and MSs that came out about the same time.

Yes, and he does mention that in the description, but further down he again reverts to calling it a military overrun SS.

Wasn't there a real military associated Sus Scrofa? The full-sized predecessor to the mini-SS? I've never seen such a thing. Just a few rumors that it existed from threads related to the mini-SS, possibly in the possession of a helicopter crew. Regardless, this is not that beast.

I vaguely remember this from somewhere, and I also remember Jerry stating that Busse had been making the (Mini?) Sus Scrofa for 4 years before offering them to us.

 

[pd999]

Well spotted, many thanks for the heads up!

 

[DowntownDM]

good lookin' out...

but is logo-sterility really a good indicator of Mil Overrun validity?

 

[J. Oeser]

Thanks for the heads up JAXX. He just blew up that site with a bunch of auctions, and to be honest some pretty sweet blades.
But I will have to resist the temptation on the advice of you wise old hogs.

 

[Andros]

That's a nice one Jaxx. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Tohatchi NM]

good lookin' out...

but is logo-sterility really a good indicator of Mil Overrun validity?

No, not really. Many Busse knives are sterile, including both mil overruns and standard blades. Some Mil overruns have logos - the "Embrace the Suck" and Terror Monkey overruns had a logo, and possibly other overruns as well. I'm not sure if the knives that went into the field had the logo or not. You can request a sterile blade from the shop, with varying success.

Overruns aren't necessarily more valuable or collectible either. There was a huge batch of mil-overrun Active Duties and Mean Streets sold a few years ago. These are probably the most common AD and MS variations sold in the exchange. Like many Busses, rarity and popularity are the big value drivers. Most, but not all, of the mili overruns exist in small numbers. From a military memorabilia collection standpoint, it would be much more valuable to tie a specific blade to a specific unit, battle, or conflict. Like the "Embrace the Suck" SJ went to a group of contractors, and a bunch of Field Grade knives got sold to guys heading into Desert Storm. For better or worse, not many people who have commissioned recent overrun releases are jumping up to identify themselves.

 

[drift draft]

That Guy!
He harassed my brother for a week about misrepresenting a knife . He listed a "Ratweiler Chopper" just as on the invoice from Swamp Rat with a picture, but for some that name just didn't work for "Scales and Tales" a.k.a. "GPRippers".
I should return the favor. Not like I would sell anything there anyway.

 

[Jaxx]

good lookin' out...

but is logo-sterility really a good indicator of Mil Overrun validity?

No, not really. Many Busse knives are sterile, including both mil overruns and standard blades. Some Mil overruns have logos - the "Embrace the Suck" and Terror Monkey overruns had a logo, and possibly other overruns as well. I'm not sure if the knives that went into the field had the logo or not. You can request a sterile blade from the shop, with varying success.

Overruns aren't necessarily more valuable or collectible either. There was a huge batch of mil-overrun Active Duties and Mean Streets sold a few years ago. These are probably the most common AD and MS variations sold in the exchange. Like many Busses, rarity and popularity are the big value drivers. Most, but not all, of the mili overruns exist in small numbers. From a military memorabilia collection standpoint, it would be much more valuable to tie a specific blade to a specific unit, battle, or conflict. Like the "Embrace the Suck" SJ went to a group of contractors, and a bunch of Field Grade knives got sold to guys heading into Desert Storm. For better or worse, not many people who have commissioned recent overrun releases are jumping up to identify themselves.

All true. Now thinking about it, some mili overruns sold to us do have a Busse logo, some have other logos, and some are sterile... So perhaps me saying "most" may not be so accurate. In this case, it is a regular SS ordered to match other MO's owned by the Seller. In other cases, the SMOG Wardens are Busse logo'd, but are the issued ones? I don't know. The MO Rucks were offered sterile, and I have an Air Rescue Knife that is sterile, however I have no proof of it being an issued knife, so maybe it was a request to be sold that way. When I bid on it, it was the knife that I was after, and not its lack of a logo or if it was a military issue ARK...

The main point that I was really trying to make is to do the homework on a Busse if one isn't sure. Call in and ask if a search on this forum or the collector info sites (i.e., Bad Mojo, HOGcult.com, BusseCollector.com, etc.), doesn't answer the questions... Whatever the case, just don't assume! :thumbup: