Mineral Oil vs Patina

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Hey guys! I'm a newbie here that has been helped quite a bit by the fellas around here - I've got another question that needs answered from some of you vets!

So, what's better.. Developing a nice patina on your HCS blade or regularly oiling it with something like mineral oil/ AG Russell's "RustFree" (or is it that simple?)
I'm about to receive my first not-so-cheap pocket knife and would really like to care for it as much and as well as I can



Also, anybody know of a cheap strop I could pick up online?
 
Developing a nice patina through regular, daily use is best. Oiling occasionally as needed can prevent unwanted surface rust if the blade is getting wet frequently. If you've got a carbon steel knife, I encourage you to use it every day and wipe it off after every use. Use it to cut food, especially! The patina will develop.
 
I dont think "oil vs patina" is a proper way to phrase it. You absolutely want to oil your blade, especially depending on how hard you work your knives. my EDC is my izula II and i use it for everything; from cleaning game to opening boxes, prepping food to prepping tinder. I just make sure at the end of the day (especially if raw meat or game is involved) to clean the blade and wipe it down with a drop or two of oil. I prefer mineral oil because, as previously stated, i work with food daily with my knives as well.
 
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Thanks for the advice!
Do you guys know if any benefit A.G. Russell's Rust Free has over mineral oil? I mean, substantial advantage, enough to justify the cost?
 
An awful lot depends on how one is going to use their blades. But, for me, a little bit of patina goes a long way. I haven't been in the habit of oiling my carbon steel blades at all, but I do make sure to keep them clean & dry. I wipe them down with a little Windex on a clean paper towel or tissue every evening. Isopropyl alcohol also works well in this regard. Either will remove the oils from fingerprints, and Windex (regular kind) also has a little bit of ammonia, which will also help to neutralize acids (from foods, especially fruits). Acids, salts, moisture are what make rust on steel, so keeping these things off your blade makes most of the difference, whether by oiling or not. If you do oil the blade, make sure the steel is clean underneath it. Otherwise, the oil can trap dirt, moisture and anything else against the steel, and make matters even worse.

Just in the little bit of tinkering I've done with 'forcing' patina, I've noticed when the steel was initially clean (little/no patina), some fruit juice or vinegar will produce some red rust pretty quickly, within an hour or less. However, once the red rust is cleaned away (baking soda scrub works well), the grey patina makes a difference the next time around, when again exposed to the same treatment. A 'grey' patina'd blade seems to turn more black with additional exposure, as opposed to making red rust again. The 'black' oxide doesn't harm the steel in the way the red rust does (which corrodes, pits the steel), and it does actually seem to protect it somewhat, based on what I've seen (also confirms all of the testimonials I've read here, about the value of a patina on a steel blade).

I haven't tried A.G.'s RustFree, but the description of it indicates it's a silicone-based product, which seems like it might resist moisture better than oil (mineral oil). Don't know if there are additional ingredients in it which might enhance it's abilities beyond that. I'd think that even at the price of it, a little bit should go a very long way, so it might not seem so expensive in the long run. Especially if it works as advertised (and A.G. has always been good about keeping his customers happy, one way or another. :thumbup:).


David
 
I think I'll give Russell's RustFree a shot! He seems to know a little more about knives than I do anyways (hah).

Anybody know about a cheap strop..? Can't find any old belts that'll work :\ but I don't want to spend 40 bucks on a hunk of leather either!
 
I think I'll give Russell's RustFree a shot! He seems to know a little more about knives than I do anyways (hah).

Anybody know about a cheap strop..? Can't find any old belts that'll work :\ but I don't want to spend 40 bucks on a hunk of leather either!

Any piece of simple vegetable-tanned (or 'bark tanned') leather will do. A craft/hobby store, saddle shop, or similar business will often have perfectly suitable scraps available, and for cheap. If you have a Tandy Leather store nearby, they're definitely worth a look. Hobby/craft stores will often sell nicely-sized pieces of 'tooling leather' for making wallets & such, and it will work nicely as well. Make sure to avoid leathers that are dyed any other colors, other than the 'natural' tan or brown. Other dying/tanning methods (such as 'chrome tanned', which is often used for other colors) will sometimes strip the natural silicates out of leather, which leaves it much less-effective for stropping. Also use firmer leather, even as 'hard' as you can find it. If it's too soft, it'll more easily wrap around a knife edge and round it off.


David
 
Found this item called "Razorsharp Strop" from a tiny woodcarving website - looks awesome! Four sided strop, may be worth a try
 
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