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Hello blade enthusiasts,
are there any real knife designs that follow a (near) zero-waste approach to steel? Idea as below, blade cut out from steel sheet with little or no leftovers?
I imagine such a design could be exceptionally suitable for inexpensive mass production
Best,
Daniel
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I could be wrong about this, but wouldn't most forged blades have very little waste? Especially when the bevels are forged in too. Cost of production would certainly be higher though.
I really like that, cool design.Nice design. The Spanish knife company Hydra started like this, via crowd-sourcing the following, if I remember right:
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The above was enough to get them started, they now have a full port-folio; just bought a second of their knives yesterday. Quite a few of them use Sleipner steel, which I like.
I really like that, cool design.
No way it minimizes waste steel though with that handle shape.
Cool topic and definitely interested to see what comes out. It needs to start from the design as you point out and the raw material size if cutting out from sheets. On the latter, your example leaves a lot of waste on the edges of a sheet if it's rectangular. If you adjusted the tip to 45*, you could repeat the whole pattern rotated 90* to get more of the corners (45* in each direction gives you that 90* corner). You also need to figure out length and height to be the right multiples where combined are close as possible to the dimensions of the raw metal sheet. That's simpler to fully maximize if the sheet is square or more generally if one dimension is a multiple of the other.
This falls under a class of math problems called packing problems: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packing_problems
You could be right they do it another way, my bad. My focus was totally on CNC and maximizing the cutouts from initial design to the point I wasn't thinking of anything else.Maybe they are laser or water cut and the steel is recycled ? Serious question, don't know is this is done ...
But recycling scrap steel would mean it has to go back into the furnace and whatever other processes are needed to get it back into sheet metal format again? I am thinking of designs that totally minimise any such recycling processes. The simplest would be just cutting a flat bar at alternating 45 and 90 degrees angle, that would produce the embryo of a knife with an American tanto point and with zero waste, since if an even number of such blades are cut out of the flat bar there is no wasted start/stop scrap pieces…I don't believe there is any actual "waste". Any steel that is leftover from the manufacturing process gets recycled. There is a vast global industry devoted specifically to recycling scrap metal from manufacturers.
I worked for a small company that produced steel products, and there was a bin on site specifically for steel scrap. The bin was provided by a recycling company that paid the owner of the business for the scrap, and once a week the recycling company came by to empty the bin.
And that was a small company. A big knife company that produces a lot of metal scrap year in and year out isn't going to just throw it in the trash. Especially when there are recycling companies willing to buy it, and even come pick it up. That scrap is worth money. And the better the steel, the more it's worth.
The idea would be that you could cut a number of knife embryos from a metal strip, wasting only the start/stop triangles. Alternative super-minimalist approaches could be to cut a flat bar at alternating 90 and 45 degrees, forming crude American tanto blades, without loosing any material besides from when grinding the edge and drilling holes for lanyardsI would guess your starting stock is square or rectangular. Why wouldn't the starting ends be square? Just curious.
I work in a manufacturing facility, we do everything in our power to maximize a sheet of metal and minimize waste.
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